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Re:Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet by ytjohn on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:59PM (#19176754)
One of them that will, or at least should be able to continue, is scuttlebutt. Scuttlebutt clients on an isolated LAN can share messages with each other. To go beyond the LAN, you point at a "pub server", which anyone can host anywhere. Yes, only russian-based pub servers will be available, and that assumes they are using russian based DNS to point to them (or have a known static IP). However, for the test of communicating within your region, scuttlebutt will hold up.

The protocol, clients, and pub servers (which are really just automated clients) are designed with an offline-first approach, then local, then regional, then global. Messages are copied between clients as they come into contact with each other. One way to visualize it is by picturing islands of people gossiping locally, and then having ships carry that scuttlebutt from island to island.

https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/

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Re:Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet by state_less on Saturday February 16, 2019 @08:19AM (#19178438)
Isn't the design motivated in part because one (or more) of the key contributors actually are/were sailors?

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/05/meet-...

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Re:Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet by fenwick67 on Saturday February 16, 2019 @12:22PM (#19179646)
Yes, and that's why it's called "scuttlebutt".
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Re:Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet by gregknicholson on Saturday February 16, 2019 @05:14AM (#19178010)
> To go beyond the LAN, you point at a "pub server", which anyone can host anywhere.

You could also get messages into and out of Russia by physically moving a laptop or phone with a Scuttlebutt client.

Forgive my ignorance here but, supposing there was a mesh network spanning across the block, would Tor, cjdns, Hyperboria or Yggdrasil be low-level enough to get around a block like this?

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Re:Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet by neuraxon77 on Saturday February 16, 2019 @08:48AM (#19178520)
Yes, any network link to an outside pub would eventually sync that pub to the rest of the network. This makes Secure Scuttlebutt a [delay tolerant network](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delay-tolerant_networking).
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Re:Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet by d2wa on Saturday February 16, 2019 @11:46AM (#19179448)
Both IPFS and Dat will also have working peer-discovery on an isolated LAN as well.
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Re:Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet by d2wa on Saturday February 16, 2019 @11:47AM (#19179455)
Are there any Russia-based pub servers for Scuttlebutt? Are clients configured to use these by default? Do they rely on any outside infrastructure (e.g. an authoritative DNS server located outside of Russia)?
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Re:Distributed web not ready for Runet cutoff from the Internet by fenwick67 on Saturday February 16, 2019 @12:20PM (#19179633)
Scuttlebutt does not come with any bootstrap nodes. You have to either get a pub invite or talk over mdns. Manyverse (a mobile client) also let's you coordinate connections with friends over the kademlia DHT. Most pubs do use DNS for their addresses.
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