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Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by Casseres on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:44PM (#19176692)
That feels like a ridiculously low number to me.

Not all subs will be underway at the same time. 70% of Earth's surface is covered in water, and they only need 66‽ Though is it 66 more, or 66 total? If it's 66 total, that's about 5.45 million square miles of water per sub. That's incredible!

Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by duado on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:48PM (#19176705)
Does the US Navy’s mission require it to maintain readiness to blow up anything in any ocean to smithereens at a moment’s notice?
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by trevyn on Friday February 15, 2019 @10:05PM (#19176781)
It does require continuous readiness to launch nuclear ballistic missiles from a surprise location, otherwise the “mutual” part of mutually assured destruction is less assured:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine-launched_ballistic... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_strike

Also, the US essentially controls the world’s oceans, and that comes with a whole bunch of benefits, wartime or peacetime.

Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by Pharmakon on Friday February 15, 2019 @10:37PM (#19176896)
I think you’ve made an honest error here, confusing the power plant of the subs with their payload. SSN’s are attack subs, not armed with nuclear SLBMs like an SSBN.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by crooked-v on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:51PM (#19176715)
Well... yes. Maybe it shouldn't, but that decision isn't up to people actually in that branch.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by drdeadringer on Friday February 15, 2019 @10:39PM (#19176911)
Yes, at least for SSBNs -- the subs that have nuclear ballistic missiles. An "undetectable" nuclear launch platform that could be anywhere in the world [ocean-wise] at any given time is part of the "nuclear deterrent". Sure, lay waste to the continental US and all of it's farm-based missile installations; the floating, traveling, launch pad will still strike back, 24 missiles each with multiple payloads each on board. That's not including the UK's fleet.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by mc32 on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:53PM (#19176724)
They’re mostly reconnaissance, intelligence gathering and defensive. Occasionally might fire cruise missiles if necessary.

Helps keep the bad guys and gals from trying too much.

Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by gdy on Saturday February 16, 2019 @02:37AM (#19177574)
Sounds like a lot of enemies. I wonder how 'the good guys' ended up being hated by so many.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by camjohnson26 on Friday February 15, 2019 @10:37PM (#19176897)
Where bad people means enemies of the US.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by mc32 on Friday February 15, 2019 @11:20PM (#19177040)
No, enemies of the western world and those who have the same values as us such as Korea, Japan, Chile, Brazil, Botswana, etc.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by gdy on Sunday February 17, 2019 @01:58AM (#19183067)
Clearly the US and the EU have different positions on Iran - the US considers it an enemy and imposed new sanctions, the EU haven't followed the suit.

So, no, even traditional clientele have left the US

Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by mc32 on Sunday February 17, 2019 @08:19AM (#19184309)
Sure we don’t agree on everything— our agendas can diverge. The EU still gets gas from Russia, clearly we differ with them on Russia.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by gdy on Sunday February 17, 2019 @09:07AM (#19184508)
Exactly, you don't agree on who the enemies are and 'bad guys' mean the enemies the US, not of all the countries you lumped together.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by mc32 on Sunday February 17, 2019 @10:45AM (#19184960)
That’s to be expected, we’re not a ‘bloc’ ala USSR and its satellites.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by gdy on Sunday February 17, 2019 @11:52AM (#19185357)
Except you claimed the opposite, saying that the objects of the US military's attention - 'bad guys' - are the enemies of the whole bunch of countries including the EU.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by gdy on Sunday February 17, 2019 @11:55AM (#19185374)
Looking at how the US tries to bully Turkey - a NATO member - into cancelling the S-400 deal with Russia, by saying the US is not going protect it despite the NATO article, you are not as different from Warsaw pact as you claim.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by wycy on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:56PM (#19176742)
One the one hand, 66 total worldwide units doesn’t seem like very many compared to most other pieces of military equipment. On the other hand, the per unit cost of submarines is a staggering $2 billion to $10 billion.

For perspective, the government shutdown fight is over ~1-2 submarines worth of funding.

Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by rockxloose on Friday February 15, 2019 @10:30PM (#19176876)
Given a fleet of submarines is $50B and the cost to fully instrument the entire ocean with sensors is $1B, is the price of a submarine worth it anymore?
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by AnimalMuppet on Friday February 15, 2019 @10:59PM (#19176975)
Sensors don't attack. Sensors don't even defend themselves. They are one piece of the "kill chain", but they aren't the "kinetic" piece.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by gdy on Saturday February 16, 2019 @02:39AM (#19177579)
Do you necessarily need a sub to kill another sub once it's detected?

Surface navy and aviation could do the job.

Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by yourapostasy on Saturday February 16, 2019 @03:02AM (#19177633)
We don't have adequate wartime data to know for sure one way or the other. Historically, there has only been one underwater combat engagement between submarines [1] openly acknowledged (there might be classified engagements). However, even generously accounting for all submarine lost at sea accident reports as hostile engagements doesn't yield sufficient numbers of engagements to know what would happen with today's subs between each other in open warfare.

Let's hope it stays that way indefinitely.

[1] https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-true-story-th...

Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by rockxloose on Sunday February 17, 2019 @06:01AM (#19183834)
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by AnimalMuppet on Saturday February 16, 2019 @07:04PM (#19181760)
The target doesn't have to be a sub. The sensors could detect a surface vessel, and the sub could be the way of attacking it.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by gdy on Sunday February 17, 2019 @02:31AM (#19183168)
A bomber can do it cheaper and faster.
Re:The U.S. Navy has bought four robot submarines from Boeing by jtms on Friday February 15, 2019 @10:02PM (#19176768)
Considering how many peoples lives were disrupted over that it is just sickening. What a bunch of bs that whole situation is/was/continues to be.