Altavista: The rise and fall of the biggest pre-Google search engine

Re:Altavista: The rise and fall of the biggest pre-Google se... by ddebernardy on Friday February 15, 2019 @02:38PM (#19174019)

Not the OP, but I remember the early 2000s. Just spitballing here but IMO that made no difference whatsoever from a consumer's standpoint -- but it presumably did from an operational standpoint, given how Google introduced an actual business model to search. The only things that mattered to you as a consumer then was how good the results were, and how convenient it was to get them. Google had a clear edge by the end of 2000 insofar as I can recollect.

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Re:Altavista: The rise and fall of the biggest pre-Google se... by jasode on Friday February 15, 2019 @02:49PM (#19174106)

>but IMO that made no difference whatsoever from a consumer's standpoint.

With cheaper techniques, the idea is that the "more capital efficient" way of indexing the ever-expanding web would in turn provide better results for an improved consumer experience. It's the old adage of "do more with less".

For example, see the old Danny Sullivan graphs[0] showing how Google's index was growing faster than AltaVista. Having a bigger index lets one return more relevant search hits.

AltaVista wasn't just falling behind in "staleness" of old indexes; the aggregate size of the index was smaller than Google as well.

[0] https://searchenginewatch.com/sew/study/2068075/search-engin...

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Re:Altavista: The rise and fall of the biggest pre-Google se... by ddebernardy on Friday February 15, 2019 @03:35PM (#19174469)

I'm not so sure it applied back then. Before Google, the core issue was to get a good result in the random garbage you were returned in search results. You'd use quotes and plus/minus or AND/OR operators, maybe strip out words like xxx and porn and warez, and hope for the best. Staleness was, frankly, of little concern if you got a few relevant results. That the AV index was stale was news to me before I read this thread, and I'm not sure I'd buy into the idea that it made much difference. Search engine toolbars made getting results more convenient. But the core of the problem then was getting any relevant results to begin with. For that, Google just rocked.

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Re:Altavista: The rise and fall of the biggest pre-Google se... by kalleboo on Friday February 15, 2019 @09:53PM (#19176725)

> I'm not so sure it applied back then

It did apply, to a point. Before Google, I had switched to AllTheWeb as my search engine of choice since a lot of sites just wouldn't show up in AltaVista no matter what you searched for, and ATW had a bigger index (I guess staleness could have had the same result).

But of course eventually I switched to Google for the better search results.

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Re:Altavista: The rise and fall of the biggest pre-Google se... by BryantD on Friday February 15, 2019 @03:17PM (#19174319)

True, but after the period I'm thinking of. By 2001 when the layoffs started hitting hard, Google already had a massive advantage.

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