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Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by jfnixon on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:40PM (#19165204)
And the company that owns vast swaths of cloud computing space doesn't have talent to back it up? Amazon is way more dominant than LeBron in their respective businesses.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by will_brown on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:06PM (#19165477)
I don’t know about having more talent, but amazon definitely has more ego...At least LeBron didn’t demand special tax deals and non-public data from cities to bring his talents.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by balls187 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:47PM (#19166372)
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that.

First, state income tax is exactly that, income tax imposed by the state, and governed by the state. There may be local jurisdictions that impose additional income tax but any savings there would be trivial.

While sports are important to the local economy, my understanding is that they are relatively minor at the state level.

Second, LeBron (and other athletes) earn playing income in every jurisdiction they play in, not based solely on the jurisdiction that the team is based in.

This means they are responsible for filing taxes in each of these jurisdiction.

In addition to playing income, they make money through endorsements and other investments. These are considered income in whatever state they claim is their residence.

It's in a players interest to establish a residence in an area with favorable tax laws.

Cities may try to woo elite players to join them, but tax savings isn't very compelling.

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by will_brown on Friday February 15, 2019 @06:56AM (#19170141)
>Second, LeBron (and other athletes) earn playing income in every jurisdiction they play in, not based solely on the jurisdiction that the team is based in. This means they are responsible for filing taxes in each of these jurisdiction.

That’s pretty funny how well settled that area of Law is, and yet again Amazon thinks it’s pretty special in that regard also...historically they haven’t paid those taxes either (state or local) and there was just a Supreme Court case confirming that in fact amazon isn’t special and that all this time they themselves should have been paying taxes where they had been selling/shipping goods.

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by vonmoltke on Friday February 15, 2019 @08:52AM (#19170887)
Merchants don't pay sales taxes, they collect them on behalf of the taxing entity. The tax is owed by the consumer to the entity regardless of whether the merchant collects it or not. Amazon was trying to give itself an advantage over physical retailers, but thus had nothing to do with Amazon trying to get out of taxes.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by will_brown on Friday February 15, 2019 @02:31PM (#19173948)
>Merchants don't pay sales taxes

That’s cute, but not the way the Law works generally. Maybe you can point to a single state where the law is different, until then I’ll just say the general rule is if the merchant makes of $x they are required by law to collect sales tax. Where or not the merchant does, they will be liable to the state for payment of the same, not the individual consumers.

If the law worked the way you represent why would any merchant collect and pay sales tax to the states?

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by balls187 on Friday February 15, 2019 @11:42AM (#19172296)
Which is a total gangster move by the states. Force merchants to do the dirty work.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by CWuestefeld on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:40PM (#19166770)
LeBron (and other athletes) earn playing income in every jurisdiction they play in, not based solely on the jurisdiction that the team is based in. ... This means they are responsible for filing taxes in each of these jurisdiction.

Do you have a citation for this? I'm skeptical. I live and work in Texas. When I travel to my company's office in NJ, effectively earning income for a week in that state, I don't pay NJ income tax on that income.

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by balls187 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:04PM (#19166937)
Unfortunately I am not an accountant and cannot give you tax advise, however, NJ has a non-resident income tax form, which you may be required to file: https://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/taxtables.shtml

Edit to add: According to my interpretation of this: https://www.state.nj.us/treasury/taxation/pdf/current/1040nr...

Assuming your income is over $20,000, you ARE required to file a NJ state tax return.

Also, note that even if you don't file a tax return, doesn't mean you are exempted from doing so.

Example, as a citizen of Texas, you are also required to pay use tax on any items aquired out of state/country and used in the state. My assumption is that you don't also pay that either, even thought you are legally required to do so. It turns out that use Tax is particularly difficult to audit and collect for, especially without a mandatory return like state income tax.

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by baddox on Thursday February 14, 2019 @11:42PM (#19168499)
I had a paid remote internship for about 6 months for a Texas company while I lived in Missouri. I had to file a Texas state income tax form, or at least my reading of the law indicated that I had to, and Texas gladly took the money.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by vonmoltke on Friday February 15, 2019 @08:55AM (#19170913)
From where did you get a form that doesn't exist? Texas has no income tax.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by balls187 on Friday February 15, 2019 @11:43AM (#19172310)
Perhaps the Texas company sent him the form for MO, as they DO have state-income tax.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by ghaff on Thursday February 14, 2019 @08:00PM (#19167633)
Agreed. I see no exemption there for “I was just attending a conference and just stayed in a hotel for a few days.” Much less spending weeks at a remote company location or job site.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by asdfasgasdgasdg on Thursday February 14, 2019 @09:56PM (#19168119)
I also am not a tax lawyer. However, at least the NY non-resident form specifies that the tax is only owed on NY sources. Probably, when you are on a work trip, the "source" of your income is still the office you work at in your home state. Also worth noting that if you're only there for a week, you'd have to make a great deal of money annually before you got above the standard deduction cutoff for that state.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by cpmsmith on Thursday February 14, 2019 @05:51PM (#19166852)
Apparently you technically should, but you aren't expected to because it would be impractical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jock_tax

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by HillRat on Thursday February 14, 2019 @07:56PM (#19167619)
If you’re doing client work there — and you may not be! —- you’re responsible for the portion of the income earned in that state (you have “nexus,” in the parlance — I’m less sure about merely having presence in a state even if the work isn’t generating company income, but in some cases I think that’s treated as nexus as well). In those cases, your company should send you state W-2s for your income; most decent consulting firms offer tax prep services if you end up working in a lot of state and international jurisdictions with tax consequences.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by efitz on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:41PM (#19167164)
> ... but any savings there would be trivial

Uh, state income taxes can approach 10%. This is not “trivial”.

http://www.tax-rates.org/taxtables/income-tax-by-state

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by balls187 on Friday February 15, 2019 @11:37AM (#19172237)
You misread my comment.

The original proposal was that star athletes attempt to negotiate tax incentives with cities, in the same vein Amazon did with NYC (and many other large corporations do).

City income taxes add a trivial percent to the total income tax rate when compared to the state income tax level. Thus, if you got incentives from a city, they would amount to trivial amount of savings.

Athletes would need to negotiate at the state level in order to have a material effect on their taxes.

I hope that clarifies my point.

I imagine Athletes pay accountants who are well versed in how to fill out those forms, and, at least in the NFL's case, a lot of players compensation may be in bonuses, and not necessarily game-day checks (which would be subject to local jurisdictional income laws).

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by xzel on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:16PM (#19167027)
Ironically, wasn't that one of the reasons people speculated during that process as to why he chose Miami, no income tax? Its obviously not some sweetheart deal but he could have formed a super team in any city that was willing to pay a few super max-ish contracts.
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by dagoat on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:30PM (#19165681)
> At least LeBron didn’t demand special tax deals and non-public data from cities to bring his talents.

As is common with other, bigger ego, basketball players

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by robterrell on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:00PM (#19165957)
OMG don't give basketball players this idea. Cities would totally write tax exemptions into law to land LeBron!
Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by josephv on Thursday February 14, 2019 @04:31PM (#19166257)
Haha, this is brilliant. Exempt NBA Star X from all state income tax if they play for the team - that seems completely believable.

Obviously NBA rules relate to tampering would come into play, but it would be a compelling story for the 24 hour sports new cycle.

I've read about athletes at least considering the income tax of a state in their decision, but I'm not sure it's ever been a deciding factor.

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by wolco on Friday February 15, 2019 @12:51AM (#19168754)
Tampering? Not if the law was written to say anyone making over 25 million playing professional basketball.

Getting reelected will be an issue.

Re:Amazon Pulls Out of Planned New York City Campus by joejerryronnie on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:51PM (#19165878)
No, Lebron just demands the coach be fired, management take on horrible contracts for Lebron's buddies, and all organizational decisions be run by him. Truly, Lebron's lack of ego is staggering.