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Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by Reason077 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:26AM (#19161102)
The problem with the A380 is not really it's size. You're right that there will always be big cities with slot-constrained hub airports where big aircraft make sense.

The real problem is that the A380 is falling behind other modern aircraft on its operating costs.

Being able to carry an extra 100-150 pax is nice, but when each seat costs 20-30% more per mile in fuel compared to a 777X or an A350, then most airlines will choose the more fuel-efficient models.

Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by CydeWeys on Thursday February 14, 2019 @10:14AM (#19162412)
Is there something inherent in the A380 design that makes it less fuel-efficient, or is it just that the engines are of an older design than the newest planes?

(I'm guessing it may be as simple as there's 4 engines instead of 2?)

Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by saosebastiao on Thursday February 14, 2019 @11:40AM (#19163247)
It's simple diminishing returns to size efficiency.

There's a saying in aviation that goes something like "it takes a lot of fuel to fly a lot of fuel". Even over the course of a single flight, the fuel consumption rate goes down significantly as that fuel gets consumed. You can fit more stuff in a bigger plane, but it takes more fuel to fly the 100,000th pound than it does to fly the 100th pound, so you only want the larger capacities if you know that you are going to consistently utilize them.

Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by Reason077 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @02:01PM (#19164762)
That's certainly a factor, but there's more to it.

- A380 is heavier, per seat, than newer aircraft designs which are making use of advanced composites, new technologies that reduce the weight of wiring, etc.

- A380's engines are older models which are less efficient than the latest-generation engines fitted to the 777X and A350

- Aircraft with 4 engines have higher operating costs than 2. Additional fuel burn, maintenance expenses, etc.

Obviously some of this could be improved if Airbus were to have developed an upgraded version of the A380 (and Rolls-Royce it's engines). There was talk of both a new-engine A380neo and a stretched A380-900 at one point. But clearly, the market was judged to be too small to justify the substantial development costs.

Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by ThenAsNow on Thursday February 14, 2019 @01:37PM (#19164514)
While the points you make are true, they don't address the parent's hypothesis about engines, which is true. Once you get into commercial jetliner engine sizes, the fewer the number of engines for a given thrust level, assuming equivalent internal technology, the lower your fuel burn will be. It's a matter of minimizing unavoidable per-engine losses, like bearing losses, cooling losses, endgap leaks in rotor tip regions, etc. These kinds of losses do amortize well with engine size.
Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by stcredzero on Thursday February 14, 2019 @03:51PM (#19165882)
Is there something inherent in the A380 design that makes it less fuel-efficient, or is it just that the engines are of an older design than the newest planes?

I have read that the Boeing 747 sits at some local maxima in design space, and to get larger, the Airbus A380 compromised by having a higher wing loading. This would reduce fuel efficiency a bit.

Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by speedplane on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:30AM (#19161116)
The 777X isn't even flying right now.
Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by isostatic on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:40AM (#19161155)
When airlines are looking to buy aircraft in 2021, they'll have a choice between A350, A380, and 77X.

Very few situations will call for a new A380.

Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by Xixi on Thursday February 14, 2019 @10:09AM (#19162375)
And given A350-1000 and 777-8/9 order books, very few situations call for even these...

Most of the traffic growth is being eaten by the smaller planes that are getting quite a bit bigger: 50 regional seaters are being replaced by 100 seaters, A319/A320 are being replaced by A320/A321, etc. Meanwhile the bigger planes are getting smaller: 747 being downsized to 777-300ER, A350-900 or even 787-9.

Re:Airbus will stop building the A380 in 2021 by Reason077 on Thursday February 14, 2019 @06:43AM (#19161162)
It's not far away. The first aircraft have already been completed, and deliveries should start next year.