Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval

Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by eikenberry on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @06:34PM (#19148834)

"... lower than the abuse rates for other hallucinogens like ecstasy and LSD."

Ecstasy is a stimulant, not a hallucinogen. I thought bloomberg was generally considered to be better at fact checking than that.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by jzylstra on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @06:43PM (#19148883)

Empathogen-entactogen with both stimulant and hallucinogen properties. You expose a(n) (over)simplified understanding and aren't really contributing, since you aren't a subject matter expert. Any given class of drug may have any number of additional effects outside of it's class, depending on structure and interactions. This example especially is not a complicated one.

Or expand the name, and recognise it as MDMethamphetamine.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by gotocake on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @07:18PM (#19149120)

Ecstasy is a stimulant, not a hallucinogen.

It’s both.

Ecstasy/MDMA. MDMA (3-4 methylenedioxymethamphetamine) is a synthetic, psychoactive drug chemically similar to the stimulant methamphetamine and the hallucinogen mescaline.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/mdma

I thought bloomberg was generally considered to be better at fact checking than that.

They are. You’re not.

The use and abuse of MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, or ecstasy) is a significant public health concern. In the United States, MDMA is classified as a hallucinogen, a category comprising LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide), PCP (phencyclidine, or angel dust), peyote, mescaline, and psilocybin (mushrooms).

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2648386/#S1titl...

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by jesseb on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @06:38PM (#19148852)

Assuming they mean MDMA when they say Ecstasy, it does in fact have hallucinogenic effects (depending on the person and dosage) in addition to being a stimulant.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by _underfl0w_ on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @07:48PM (#19149312)

I take it you didn't follow the SuperMicro supply chain attack story? (and subsequent fallout due to complete lack of fact-checking)

That was a huge blow to my ability to trust Bloomberg's journalistic credibility, along with several others' trust I'm sure.

Granted that was clearly a different reporter and a different field altogether, but the name "Bloomberg" alone should no longer lend the same credence in this era of fake news.

Food for thought.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by marcrosoft on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @06:44PM (#19148891)

Agreed, also LSD doesn't have a measurable abuse rate. It is literally anti-abuse.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by toomanybeersies on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @07:33PM (#19149215)

I think that in the article, abuse is used to mean illegal unintended use, rather than abuse in the conventional sense.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by jMyles on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @07:04PM (#19149025)

"hallucinogen" is a silly word to begin with.

The primary effect of LSD isn't hallucination, but something far more strange and more difficult to describe.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by hndamien on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @07:16PM (#19149108)

Psychedelic is the correct term.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by jMyles on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @08:47PM (#19149625)

Psychedelic is one term that is almost certainly more correct. "Entheogen" is perhaps another. But "hallucinogen" and "psychotomimetic" do not properly describe my experience nor anyone I know.

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Re:Esketamine Drug For Depression Treatment Nears FDA Approval by toomanybeersies on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @07:32PM (#19149212)

The whole idea of lumping different drugs into discrete categories is flawed.

MDMA is both a stimulant and a hallucinogen. In smaller doses the effect isn't noticeable, but it's definitely there in larger doses.

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