Re:California will not complete $77B high-speed rail project...
by dave5104 on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @06:48PM
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> (3) If it's built in one part of the state, it creates peer pressure for other parts of the state to build it. It looks bad to be the one part of the state that is blocking it.
Hah, do you live in the Bay Area? With the amount of NIMBYism, I don't think peer pressure would help with getting it built to connect the SF/SJ connections. It's why we do not have BART going for a full loop around the bay. Santa Clara county voted it down.
Re:California will not complete $77B high-speed rail project...
by masonic on Wednesday February 13, 2019 @05:19AM
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Santa Clara county voted it down.
San Mateo and Marin counties already weren't participating anyway, so that circumnavigation dream was DOA.
Re:California will not complete $77B high-speed rail project...
by adrianmonk on Tuesday February 12, 2019 @07:11PM
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Oh yeah, I used to live there and am well acquainted with the NIMBY craziness. I was approaching it more from the other side, which is that you need every weapon you can possibly get that will help twist their arms.
There might be some validity to this thinking:
(1) If you build part of it and show that it works, it makes it more of a concrete reality. Instead of asking people in urban areas to give up precious right-of-way to build something hypothetical, you're asking them to give it up to build something they can see.
(2) You're also asking the urban areas to wait less time between when they give up the right-of-way and when the system is built. By pushing the rural areas to the earlier part of the schedule, you can move the urban areas to the later part of it.
(3) If it's built in one part of the state, it creates peer pressure for other parts of the state to build it. It looks bad to be the one part of the state that is blocking it.
(4) While the sunk cost fallacy isn't rational, "we've spent this much and we're half done already" will still convince some people.
I'm not saying that overall this was a good strategy, but I can see some advantages. In any case, it seems like the main issue was massive cost overruns.