> Personally if you are spending all that time and energy recreating the wheel just to say "you don't use JQuery ", you're being an idiot

I prefer the term "Magpie Developer" https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-magpie-developer/

Personally, I'm currently working on projects that still use Bootstrap 3. It still works, just a jQuery still works.

Not only are you recreating it, but your universe of users is smaller. Love it or hate it jQuery is being battle tested day in and day out by __a lot__ of sites and site visitors.

Sure there's some baggage. There's always some trade off somewhere, isn't there. But if things working is a priority then jQuery isn't such a bad thing.

> Personally if you are spending all that time and energy recreating the wheel just to say "you don't use JQuery "

Heavy movie trailer voice Consider a world, where there is no problem that required jQuery.

I refer to React and such.

When the wheel is prone to damage from small bumps, and can't handle off-road, a new stronger reliable wheel that handles all terrain is needed. That's what Jquery offers.

And when the wheel is so bloated the car can barely make it down the road without needing to refill the fuel tank a new more lightweight reliable wheel that can handle modern terrain is needed. That is why people are moving away from Jquery.

I would not call Jquery bloated, relative to what is typically found on a website. Some of us still like using it, as the syntax is convenient and functionality reliable. There's an elegance and readability about it that appeals to me more than vanilla JS.

That's a pretty obnoxious and unfounded opinion.

I think table based layouts will make a comeback. I'm sure you agree, they make good containers for flexbox items. It's a Table, with data inside, so I can put whatever I like in a table, including functioning as layout. Can still be an accessible page, the table just replaces divs for structure, it's role clearly stated.

Homophobia? Really? 'jqueery' isn't a typo.

This does not contribute to discussion.

I am going to root for bloated jQuery to save my life!

$('.tpm_sensors').forEach(function(sensor) { if (sensor.pressure < threshold) fixBeforeIDie(); });

vs:

var tpm_sensors = document.getElementsByClassName('tpm_sensors'); for (var i = 0, len = tpm_sensors.length; i < len; i++) { var sensor = tpm_sensors[i]; if (sensor.pressure < threshold) fixBeforeIDie(); }

> TypeError: $(...).forEach is not a function

And so it starts. jQuery uses .each, not .forEach. So you fix that. But stuff still doesn't work.

Right, because jQuery's .each passes the index as first parameter and the element as second (or this).

jQuery trips me every single time.

document.querySelectorAll('.tpm_sensors').forEach((sensor) => {if (sensor.pressure < threshold) { fixBeforeIDie(); }});

Then this breaks in older browsers because forEach isn't a method on a NodeList. So you have to polyfill in features to do [...document.querySelectorAll('.tpm_sensors')].forEach(...);

and you usually define $ and $$ as querySelector and querySelectorAll at the beginning of the file if you don't like writing them all out, so they're exactly the same length

I remember the mess that came before jQuery. This is quite literally what we did back then, just with a custom made snippet of JS for finding by id and by class. It sucked. I mean to me Bootstrap is just a black box library, I don’t care how it works as long as it does. But this is going to suck for those working on its code.

No need to load a slow bloated library. Learn modern DOM methods. Reading does wonders, my opinion.

Oh, just take your hatred elsewhere!