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Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by sjjshvuiajhz on Monday February 11, 2019 @02:51PM (#19137649)
The problem is not the web tracking, the problem is your obsession about it. Stop worrying about it and your mental health will improve. Are you going to raise your kid to be afraid of the shadows around every corner?
Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by jancsika on Monday February 11, 2019 @03:47PM (#19138157)
> The problem is not the web tracking, the problem is your obsession about it.

The problem is the web tracking. And spending even a tiny amount of energy reviewing and installing Ublock Origin improves one's mental health in a way that's obvious when observing the browsing patterns of somebody who doesn't block ads.

If one wants to extend that obsession down to the source of web tracking and attempt to hide one's behavior from the entire advertising industry, that may run the risk of having a detrimental effect on one's health. But a) there is potentially new information which can be gleaned from trying, and b) one can always scale back to and depend on an easy-to-install set of ad-blocking solutions to filter the worst of it.

The only thing you'd save from not worrying at all about web tracking is a small up-front cost of installing an ad-blocker. Those savings pales in comparison to the distractions of being a constant subject to ads.

Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by sjjshvuiajhz on Monday February 11, 2019 @04:36PM (#19138573)
I don’t have a problem with installing ad blockers. That’s not what the article or my response to it is about at all.
Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by 24gttghh on Monday February 11, 2019 @04:00PM (#19138294)
>The problem is not the web tracking, the problem is your obsession about it. Stop worrying about it

The problem is not climate change, the problem is your obsession about it. Stop worrying about it

The problem is not the rampant corruption, the problem is your obsession about it. Stop worrying about it

The problem is not ___ ______, the problem is your obsession about it. Stop worrying about it

Just give up, right?

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Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by sjjshvuiajhz on Monday February 11, 2019 @04:48PM (#19138688)
Advertisement improves economic efficiency, resulting in increased prosperity. It’s part of the desperately needed decoupling of economic growth and energy consumption.

Whether the parameters of some neural net are trained on the Facebook pictures of your baby you uploaded is entirely insignificant.

On the other hand, the psychological harm this author will do to their baby if they raise them with an attitude of fear and anxiety is likely to cause them to suffer greatly.

I’m not sure what you mean by “pushed to the fringes” - it seems this author’s isolation is self-imposed. I’m familiar with the ways depression and anxiety can isolate a person, so I’m sympathetic. But it’s often not useful to express that fight-or-flight response by trying to spread your anxieties to others. Learning to distinguish which perceived problems actually matter is important. Most of them can be dealt with inside your head, or by talking them through with someone you trust. Learning to do this has greatly improved my quality of life and my personal relationships.

Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by mileszim on Monday February 11, 2019 @05:17PM (#19138916)
Removing regulations on financial institutions also improves economic efficiency. It also results in stuff like say, the 2008 housing collapse, or the failure of entire countries (see: Greece).

Arguing against privacy protection by claiming its for the benefit of our economy is just rehashing the "free market vs regulated market" argument. Sure, economic efficiency improves. Our wellbeing? Not always.

Is ad tracking pervasiveness the same as locking factory workers inside a burning building? Probably not. But we learned well from that mistake almost a century ago. We'll learn from this one too.

Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by sjjshvuiajhz on Monday February 11, 2019 @05:21PM (#19138966)
These seem like complete non-sequiters, what does ad tracking have to do with mispriced insurance on mortgage-backed securities? How will ad tracking cause the economy to collapse? It seems like you are just bringing up an unrelated traumatic event from the past to scare people. I read that exotic mortgages are making a comeback - maybe congress should focus on that instead of grilling tech CEOs about advertising.
Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by mileszim on Monday February 11, 2019 @05:51PM (#19139269)
I see where I wasn't clear in addressing your point--I am not trying to equate ad tracking with securities fraud or workplace ethics disasters, I am comparing their role in shaping our current behaviors and perspectives.

In general, we didn't foresee the consequences of derivative markets for mortgage backed securities until it was too late, even though some raised concerns. Now we're very well aware, enacting regulations to hopefully prevent it in the future, as well as provide clear channels for recovery and compensation for damages if it does.

In general, we didn't foresee the consequence of unregulated treatment for employees until it was too late, even though some raised concerns. Now we're very well aware, enacting regulations to hopefully prevent it in the future, as well as provide clear channels for recovery and compensation for damages if it does.

Comparing that to the tracking market today, we have effectively zero regulation and zero ability for recovery and compensation. We know the tracking market is so pervasive that meaningful living/working today requires submitting yourself to this. We also have articles like this one demonstrating clear concerns.

The only thing missing is an understanding of the consequences. We can't ever know the scope of the consequences until they've happened. We can however make predictions (both good and bad). It may be just fine, it may not.

Should we take steps now to mitigate the possible bad outcomes? Or should we gamble and let the consequences happen to us?

The same argument goes for most civic debate.

I don't know what a healthy social and regulatory relationship with the tech looks like. I don't believe anyone does yet. I do know that discussing it like we are now improves our understanding of its complexities, and that's always good.

Hope this makes sense.

Concerning the remark about congress--they're fully capable of addressing both. No reason for an either/or.

Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by sjjshvuiajhz on Monday February 11, 2019 @06:31PM (#19139579)
I agree, it’s important to consider the possible harms. When we come up with specific tangible harms, it’s worth writing legislation targeted to address those issues.

However, I’d also consider that there is an infite array of possible risks to address, and we are likely to be biased towards looking into the ones that are related to things we are paying the most attention to.

Due to the financial success of the tech giants, and specifically the shifting of ad spend from newspapers to tech companies, it seems to me we are likely thinking about the dangers of ad tracking too much, rather than too little. The media companies have unfortunately suffered from the success of tech, so it’s not surprising they would be on guard for problems the industry might cause. And Congress, of course, will use both the carrot and the stick to get their piece of the action in the form of campaign contributions.

We have a known-known slow-motion disaster happening right in front of us, that has already seriously damaged world we live on, and is projected to do much worse. That danger is coming from an industry that has had a lot more time to form stronger influence-trading bonds with the powers that be. I feel like we’re all being distracted with a dog-and-pony show when people are walking around scared about ad tracking when the Earth is burning. Maybe if the tech companies can stay at the top of the heap for a long time spending money buying Congress, loyalties will shift enough for the government to be willing to do what’s needed to put the reigns on extractive energy interests and solve humanity’s #1 problem (it pains me to suggest that buying Congress is ever a good thing, but I’m trying to be optimistic in the face of what seems like a huge disaster).

Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by freehunter on Monday February 11, 2019 @03:54PM (#19138227)
I'd be careful calling people names like that around here.
Re:I tried to keep my unborn child secret from Facebook and ... by jimmaswell on Monday February 11, 2019 @04:09PM (#19138384)
Defense of ad-tracking: increasing value for all parties by making ads more relevant and helping to keep services free. The only significant downside in my opinion is the possibility of data breaches giving the information to identity thieves etc. Otherwise I have no reason to be upset that some computers have determined, without any human involved, that I might be more likely to click on a Cheerios ad than a bicycle ad.