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Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by hunter2_ on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:09AM (#19122958)
The heuristics to exclude logout links and the like would be very disruptive. Those decisions need to be in the website author's hands.

However, I think if browsers had this, but off by default until seeing tags to enable it along with any exclusions, that would be great.

Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by chrisseaton on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:48AM (#19123229)
I think it would only prefetch GET links, which never have side effects.
Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by hombre_fatal on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:08PM (#19123361)
There's nothing stopping GET requests from having side effects.

It's like pointing to a list of best practices and saying "everyone surely follows these."

For example, someone changed their signature to `[img]/logout.php[/img]` on a forum I posted on as a kid and caused chaos. The mods couldn't remove it because, on the page that lets you modify a user's signature, it shows a signature preview. Good times.

Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by arendtio on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:28PM (#19123466)
I think it was a joke as GET requests are not supposed to change anything, but often they do (probably because many devs don't know about, understand or respect the RESTful concept).

EDIT: For completeness, I have to add, that I am also part of the group of people who have violated that concept. Maybe neither frequently nor recently, but I did it too :-/

Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by chrisseaton on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:46PM (#19123549)
> understand or respect the RESTful concept

It's nothing to do with REST. It's part of the HTTP spec and has always been, that "GET and HEAD methods should never have the significance of taking an action other than retrieval".

Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by arendtio on Saturday February 09, 2019 @01:24PM (#19123752)
Well, if I am not mistaken, REST is just the articulated concept on which HTTP was built. So yes, the HTTP spec (probably) existed before REST became a term itself, but in the end, there is no reason to argue if REST defines it or HTTP.
Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by chrisseaton on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:38PM (#19123513)
> There's nothing stopping GET requests from having side effects.

> It's like pointing to a list of best practices and saying "everyone surely follows these."

It’s not a ‘best practice’ it’s literally the spec for the web.

Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by hombre_fatal on Saturday February 09, 2019 @01:04PM (#19123643)
What percent of developers do you think have even read the RFC?

Browsers take a more practical approach than "well, it's in the spec, they should know better" which is apparently what you're suggesting.

It's the same reason browsers will do their best to render completely ridiculous (much less spec-complaint) HTML.

Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by lixtra on Saturday February 09, 2019 @03:14PM (#19124327)
To prove your point: If I remember correctly HN votes are sent as GET.
Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by tedunangst on Saturday February 09, 2019 @01:12PM (#19123692)
You're typing this comment on a site that has a GET link to logout.
Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by hunter2_ on Saturday February 09, 2019 @01:40PM (#19123827)
This phrase "GET link" I keep seeing makes sense, but strikes me as odd. Is that to differentiate from an "a" tag that triggers JS that makes a fetch/xhr with another method? The only non-JS non-GET request I'm aware of is a form action (POST by default, GET if specified) which can hardly be called a link, unless I'm wrong to equate link with "a" tag.
Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by Zarel on Saturday February 09, 2019 @01:56PM (#19123915)
Form actions are actually GET by default (think search forms). You need to explicitly use <form method="post"> for a POST form.
Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by hunter2_ on Sunday February 10, 2019 @10:56AM (#19128253)
Ah, yep.
Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by jfoster on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:05PM (#19123336)
It could be a way for browsers to encourage GET to be used more correctly.
Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by hombre_fatal on Saturday February 09, 2019 @12:16PM (#19123406)
Seems like you'd be punishing users instead of website operators since the cause/effect relationship is so unobvious.

User happens to brush over the logout button while using the site. On their next click, they're logged out. Weird. Guess I'll just log in again. Doesn't happen again for some time, but then it does. Weird, didn't that happen the other week? What's wrong with my browser? Oh cool, switching browsers fixed it. You're having that issue, too? Don't worry, I figured it out. Just switch browsers.

Re:Show HN: Make your site’s pages instant in one minute by markovbot on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:15AM (#19123026)
It doesn't have to be. Could start by allowing website authors to opt in via a tag in the <head> or something, then opt out on a per-link basis with an attribute (eg preload=false)