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Re:Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hal... by dsq on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:29PM (#19118330)
"..the enemy has begun to employ a new and most cruel bomb...should we continue to fight, it would not only result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization...This is the reason why We have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the Joint Declaration of the Power". - Imperial Rescript on Surrender, by the Showa Emperor (Hirohito).
Re:Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hal... by int_19h on Friday February 08, 2019 @07:56PM (#19120000)
A superweapon is a convenient thing to blame one's surrender on. But if you look at the discussions the Japanese war cabinet had behind the scenes these days, it's clear that they were worried about an imminent Soviet invasion just as much as the bombs.
Re:Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hal... by krapp on Friday February 08, 2019 @09:50PM (#19120376)
> But if you look at the discussions the Japanese war cabinet had behind the scenes these days, it's clear that they were worried about an imminent Soviet invasion just as much as the bombs.

Can you post a source for these? Google hasn't been any help.

English translations, obviously, would be preferred.

Re:Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hal... by int_19h on Saturday February 09, 2019 @05:12AM (#19121645)
Wikipedia has a lengthy article on various debates and controversies on this broad subject (whether the bombs were justified or not), including Soviet role in it, and whether it made the second bomb unnecessary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debate_over_the_atomic_bombing...

Re:Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hal... by krapp on Saturday February 09, 2019 @08:55AM (#19122267)
It doesn't seem to have have transcripts of the "discussions the Japanese war cabinet had behind the scenes", which is specifically what you wanted people to look at in your former comment.
Re:Conversations among German Nuclear Physicists at Farm Hal... by ThrowawayR2 on Saturday February 09, 2019 @09:58AM (#19122574)
Transcriptions are not available, obviously, but the closest thing I've seen to date is "The Day Man Lost: Hiroshima, 6 August 1945", which is available in English. Compiled by the Pacific War Research Society, a group of Japanese historians, from accounts from officials and written records, their version of history does indeed claim that the Japanese government was pinning their hopes on the Soviet Union brokering a peace agreement with the United States and was deliberately delaying responses to the US until their hopes were dashed by the Soviet declaration of war. The use of atomic weapons was an additional impetus, not a deciding factor.

As an aside, the book makes for fascinating reading. Being compiled by Japanese from accounts by other Japanese, one has to be wary of a certain amount of face-saving and retconning, of course. However, it's the first I've seen that overlays the timeline of events occurring within the Japanese government with the US progress in the war.