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Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by ppeetteerr on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:04PM (#19118126)
> it bothers me that there are such large institutions that can arbitrarily "bless" random people like a deity or something.

Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :))

> I also can't help but look at this cynically as a largely self-interested PR grab by Apple that is not a real sacrifice on their part.

It may be but so what? They could have done nothing, but they didn't. Good on them for doing this.

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by nerdponx on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:29PM (#19118335)
Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :))

Why kid? This is the way of the world.

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by zavi on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:58PM (#19118602)
Most people on US Forbes top 500 came from poverty and / or other disadvantage.
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by peeters on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:11PM (#19118710)
Seemed like a dubious claim, so tried to find a source and found this old article:

Did the Forbes 400 Billionaires Really 'Build That'? https://www.cnbc.com/id/49167533

Trimming a lot:

"United for a Fair Economy breaks down the Forbes list using a baseball analogy. It says

- 35 percent of the list was born in the “batter’s box,” with a lower-middle class or middle-class background...

- 22 percent of the list were born on first base: they came from a comfortable but not rich background and might have received some start-up capital from a family member.

- 11.5 percent were born on second base, the report says. Second base is defined as people who inherited a medium sized company or more than $1 million or got “substantial” start-up capital from a business or family member.

- 7 percent were born on third base, inheriting more than $50 million in wealth or a big company. The report includes Charles Koch and Charles Butt on third base.

- 21 percent were born on home plate, inheriting enough money to make the list."

So less than 35 percent would be coming from poverty, if this study is to be believed. This is for the 400 billionaires list though.

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by Retric on Friday February 08, 2019 @06:50PM (#19119723)
If anything it’s intentionally misunderstanding the actual advantages from having connections.

Gates did not directly inherit vast wealth. But, most people’s parents don’t know the CEO of IBM back when it was the computer company.

That bottom 35% is a little doubious. Larry Ellison was put in that category, though he was adopted at a young age. Further, his adopted family had recently been wealthy which is a much better than average background for becoming rich.

Finally, the category they place Trump in vastly underplays the amount of direct family support he received. The initial gift was under 50 million, but was just the first of many. He would have become a billionaire simply putting the money given to him into the S&P 500.

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by StudentStuff on Friday February 08, 2019 @10:20PM (#19120480)
Bill Gates went to Lakeside School here in Seattle and grew up in a nice house along the shoreline in Sand Point (a rich neighborhood of Seattle). He is hardly self made, and comes from an upper crust Seattle family that could afford the finest education and residences in Seattle.

Had Bill Gates gone to Seattle Public Schools at the time, its doubtful that he would have gained similar contacts or become notable at such an early age.

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by rudolph9 on Friday February 08, 2019 @05:32PM (#19119319)
I honestly expected significantly less (I figured home plate would be the largest group) but was not surprised at all to learn 3rd base was the smallest group.
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by weliketocode on Friday February 08, 2019 @06:24PM (#19119608)
Yeah, inheriting $50mm+ seems like more than enough to disincentivize risk and innovation.
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday February 08, 2019 @06:28PM (#19119637)
Looking more in depth at their ranking though, virtually everyone from 1st base to home plate I'd consider "rich" to start (perhaps differing degrees of "employed rich", e.g. doctors/lawyers, to sheik rich).

I mean, it considers Donald Trump, whose father died with a net worth of about $300 million to start on 2nd base!!

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by refurb on Saturday February 09, 2019 @11:30AM (#19123110)
35% of the top 400 came from poverty? That’s actually much higher than I thought it would be and pretty dam remarkable.

At least in the US, less than 35% of the population actually lives in poverty.

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by sobani on Monday February 11, 2019 @05:11AM (#19133280)
Those 35% are (lower) middle class. Apparently none of the top 400 billionaires came from poverty.
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by burkaman on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:10PM (#19118695)
I don't think this is true. Forbes says 67% of their list is "self-made", meaning they're a 6-10 on the 10 point scale defined here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/luisakroll/2018/10/03/the-forbe...

As you can see, only a 9 or 10 should really count as coming from significant disadvantage. Mark Zuckerberg is an 8 on the scale (where 10 is most disadvantaged), and I think we can all agree he did not claw his way out of poverty. I'm having trouble finding overall numbers for each rank, but I'm certain 9s and 10s are not a majority of this list if 6-10 is only 67%.

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday February 08, 2019 @06:38PM (#19119680)
Yeah, I mean Mark Zuckerberg was the son of a doctor and a dentist in White Plains. We called people of those means "rich" when I was a kid.
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by shrimp_emoji on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:07PM (#19118678)
This statement is saved by the "and / or other disadvantage" because that includes the subconscious guilt that they ultimately owe all of their accomplishments to their wealthy parents, which is indeed a disadvantage that I struggle with daily. :'c
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by danielsju6 on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:12PM (#19118717)
I don't know about the Forbes list, but it seems the share of wealth being inherited is pretty high & increasing at a good clip:

On the Share of Inheritance in Aggregate Wealth: Europe and the USA, 1900–2010 http://www.piketty.pse.ens.fr/files/AlvaredoGarbintiPiketty2...

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by nerdponx on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:18PM (#19118777)
Do you have a source for that? "Most" seems hard to believe.

I would also be hesitant to take the top 500 as representative of the top, say, 5 million.

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by leadingthenet on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:05PM (#19118662)
I will definitely need a source for that claim.
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by jsmeaton on Friday February 08, 2019 @04:04PM (#19118650)
I find this hard to believe. Do you have a source?
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by jessaustin on Friday February 08, 2019 @05:08PM (#19119152)
GP seemed like obvious irony to me. 7 HN folks don't agree...
Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by ddacunha on Sunday February 10, 2019 @04:57AM (#19127117)
> Do you mean like how some people are born into rich families and some into poor families? (I kid :))

I understood it as: how is it that education is a privilege?

Re:Apple to contribute to U.S. teen's education for spotting... by pixelbeat__ on Friday February 08, 2019 @03:57PM (#19118598)
iKid