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Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by AndrewKemendo on Friday February 08, 2019 @08:40AM (#19113975)
No this is just a total fabrication of how things work. Please don't do this.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by MaupitiBlue on Friday February 08, 2019 @09:25AM (#19114347)
How many articles have you read about rogue Stingrays around DC? If the FCC wanted to take these down it would take 45 minutes of triangulation, but they never do it. Instead we get vague statements about the devious Chinese.

It’s hard to conclude that five eyes isn’t a domestic spying proxy program.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by AndrewKemendo on Friday February 08, 2019 @11:22AM (#19115681)
There are many reasons why these devices persist not only in DC but all across the country.

One is resource management and risk evaluation (aka, there are bigger problems), another is knowledge of FIS operations and many others...

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by jessaustin on Friday February 08, 2019 @11:32AM (#19115818)
We got from "total fabrication" to "resource management" pretty quickly...
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by AndrewKemendo on Friday February 08, 2019 @11:43AM (#19115976)
Incorrect inference.

You've incorrectly attributed the argument from a specific offshoot (that foreign spy tools persist because of limited counterintelligence resources) and applied it to the root supposition (that nation states utilize parallel construction, through a conspiracy with known adversaries as a matter of course and that spy infrastructure is built specifically for that purpose).

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by jessaustin on Friday February 08, 2019 @12:01PM (#19116224)
I would quibble with "known adversaries". Saudi has been a close ally of both UK and USA for nearly 30 years. Haven't Snowden's materials proved the point for the rest of the root supposition already?

Of course it's more likely that someone (anyone, really) just pwned Ms. Sanchez's phone directly.

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by creaghpatr on Friday February 08, 2019 @08:49AM (#19114045)
That seems to be a plausible explanation. Can you refute the argument besides just calling it BS? Otherwise, it's an interesting theory.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by lunchables on Friday February 08, 2019 @08:59AM (#19114104)
No Five Eyes member is going to randomly tap some US citizens phone because the Saudis asked without some serious investigation.
Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by cstross on Friday February 08, 2019 @11:45AM (#19116010)
The Saudis are positioned as our allies in the war on terror. More accurately, they're regional enemies of Iran, and the western powers tend to run on the rubric "the enemy of my enemy is my ally" (even when a closer look at the situation would suggest that just ain't so).

They are huge customers for British arms sales (look up the Al Yamamah deal — roughly US $100Bn in business). They're known to have bought surveillance and intelligence monitoring software from Israel. They're in everybody's back pockets, and in their wallets.

As a Brit, I find your belief that US citizens are immune from monitoring by the intelligence services of other nations (when that kind of money is passing hands) touching ...

Re:No Thank You, Mr. Pecker by lunchables on Friday February 08, 2019 @02:01PM (#19117541)
>The Saudis are positioned as our allies in the war on terror.

As are a lot of countries. Does not mean we will allow surveillance without any questions.

>As a Brit, I find your belief that US citizens are immune from monitoring by the intelligence services of other nations (when that kind of money is passing hands) touching ...

I never said or implied that.

Read the comment again:

>No Five Eyes member is going to randomly tap some US citizens phone because the Saudis asked without some serious investigation.