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Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by lainga on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @03:29PM (#19099539)
Would you say this is primarily a resource problem? A culture problem with the 7th Fleet? A culture problem in the USN overall?
Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by crooked-v on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @03:50PM (#19099797)
"Every enlisted man in the Navy only gets 4-5 hours of a sleep a night" seems to be a common anecdote service-wide, including from people I know personally who served.
Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by kryogen1c on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @05:48PM (#19100932)
Also, "nights" are not a real thing, not in the biological sense. In the surface ship nuclear power plant world where there is no air conditioning, you can't stand watch for more than 5 hours, which means 4 5s and one 4 hour watch. Think you stand the same watch every day? Nope, not enough people. You normally stand 1 on 2 off (5 and dimes) or one on 3 off (5 and 15s). This puts your sleep window at different spots every night.

Subs are air conditioned, so they can stand either 6 and 6s or less commonly 6 and 12s. Their lives are generally worse in every way. Except they all like smelling each other farts and sharing beds, so it works out.

Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by mlb_hn on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @06:11PM (#19101128)
DOD issue, if not USG. Army had (has?) the same issue as well, 2015 whitepaper on sweeping everything under the rug until it breaks (https://ssi.armywarcollege.edu/pdffiles/pub1250.pdf)
Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by genkimind on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @06:39PM (#19101366)
I think the high operational requirements expose a culture/procedural/values problem of the shipboard Navy overall, it's just particular visible in 7th fleet because of the unsustainability of the workload.
Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by vkou on Thursday February 07, 2019 @03:24AM (#19103842)
I obviously haven't done an A/B study, but I would figure that having periods of crunch time (long or short) with periods of sane time would both keep military units in practice for when they do need to be up for three days on four hours of sleep AND let them train/maintain/not crash their ships into other ships.

But I doubt that the culture described in TFA, and this thread evolved in any way but organically.

Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by Datenstrom on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @07:06PM (#19101587)
Can confirm this is a problem in Naval aviation also.
Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by nadinno78 on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @10:59PM (#19102887)
Cultural Problem IMO. My boss likes to say that the military takes their young officers and train the common sense out of them. Personally I blame the service academies for what amounts to 4 years of legalized harassment. First three years are all about getting harassed. The last year is about dishing out the harassment. Then they get a degree to justify the whole thing.
Re:Death and Valor on an American Warship Doomed by Its Own ... by DoofusOfDeath on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @11:06PM (#19102912)
IMHO the responsibility properly rests on the POTUS, who is commander-in-chief of the military, and on the Congressional armed-services committees.

It's their job to make sure the U.S. military is functioning well, and they're apparently not doing it.