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Re:Ask HN: Why be an option/futures/day trader when it is ze... by brentr on Thursday May 15, 2008 @05:12PM (#190966)
I was thinking about how to better answer your question concerning the sub-zero game statement I made. Let's remove ourselves from finance for a minute into something that is more traditional in the game theory studies--namely poker.

If the game is played where the players arrange transfers face to face such as in a home poker game, then the game is zero-sum. Your losses are my gains. No money is created. No money is destroyed. It stays inside the game. The minute we go to a casino to play the same game, the game becomes sub-zero due to the rake. You lose X to me and Y to the rake. I gain your X and lose Y to the rake.

Your cash flows: -X - Y. My cash flows: X - Y. In a zero-sum game your cash flows are the negative of my cash flows. This implies -(-X - Y) = X + Y. This is a contradiction. Therefore, the game is not zero-sum.

Re:Ask HN: Why be an option/futures/day trader when it is ze... by muerdeme on Thursday May 15, 2008 @06:01PM (#191050)
I was thinking that, because the market created value, it couldn't be zero or negative sum. Now I realize that it's negative sum within the scope of the market itself, even though it may create value in a grander scheme of things.
Re:Ask HN: Why be an option/futures/day trader when it is ze... by brentr on Thursday May 15, 2008 @06:08PM (#191059)
To truly understand the implications of game theory applied to the financial markets, you should look up the concept of Pareto improvements and Pareto optimums.
Re:Ask HN: Why be an option/futures/day trader when it is ze... by muerdeme on Thursday May 15, 2008 @06:41PM (#191117)
Good call. My roommate and I are about to start an econ discussion site. Shoot me an email if you're interested in helping us get conversation started or just have any suggestions for us.
Re:Ask HN: Why be an option/futures/day trader when it is ze... by brentr on Thursday May 15, 2008 @06:47PM (#191126)
Email?
Re:Ask HN: Why be an option/futures/day trader when it is ze... by muerdeme on Thursday May 15, 2008 @06:51PM (#191129)
See profile, forgot that it doesn't show.