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Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by FrankyHollywood on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @05:23AM (#19094041)
I'm always puzzled with the fact that people search for surrogate solutions instead of pursuing the real issue.

If you don't feel well there is so much you can do. Make serious effort in making friends, join a sports club or something else you like, solve long running conflicts with other people, don't over- or under achieve on a level which doesn't fit you (school/work), be proud with the things you accomplish instead of never being satisfied, etc...

Perhaps it just seems easier to buy another self-help book, and take a mindfulness class.

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by DanBC on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @06:03AM (#19094219)
Mental ill health is a leading cause of death worldwide. It leads to more years lost to disabiity than anything else. It's a significant cause of absence from work.

If the cure was so fucking simple don't you think people would have tried it?

The worst thing about HN is people who do not know what they're talking about chipping in with their facile half-witted suggestions for what they reckon.

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by fdggdfsvscvsd on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @06:26AM (#19094306)
But "practicing mindfulness" is suggesting the cure is easy (pretty sure the science is shaky, at least positive thinking isn't proven to work?).

Actually working on issues might work better, and might also not be easy.

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by jdietrich on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @08:53AM (#19095035)
>But "practicing mindfulness" is suggesting the cure is easy

Not really, no. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy is a fairly popular psychotherapeutic approach that makes use of mindfulness. The objective of ACT is to move patients towards valued behaviour and a meaningful life. In order to achieve that, it uses mindfulness practice to facilitate acceptance of distressing internal experiences and re-orient the patient towards the present moment.

It's very easy to say "just do stuff that matters to you", but there are all sorts of internal obstacles to that. Some people are very anxious and find it more comfortable to avoid new experiences, even if those experiences might ultimately be rewarding. Some people are lacking in confidence and assume that they'll fail at anything they try. Some people are so overwhelmed by emotional pain that they struggle to just get out of bed in the morning. Some people are stuck in self-destructive habits that temporarily soothe their distress but worsen the circumstances that contribute to their distress.

Mindfulness doesn't fix a crappy life, but it's a useful tool. If you can observe your anxious thoughts as just thoughts passing through your mind, you might give them a bit less credence. If you can learn to sit with your distress and tolerate it, you might be a bit less likely to have that drink or distract yourself with a video game or cut your wrists. If you can learn to focus more on the present moment, you might worry a bit less about whether you'll succeed or fail and take a bit more pleasure in the experience of trying.

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by rsynnott on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @06:43AM (#19094386)
There's a good bit of evidence that MBSR works.
Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by fdggdfsvscvsd on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @08:22AM (#19094840)
Replicated, too?
Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by newsgremlin on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @06:50AM (#19094409)
But those solutions are often the barrier that people are trying to overcome. Due to things like anxiety, depression, ADHD, autism etc. that may be mild forms which are undiagnosed which hinder your interactions with others and the way you perceive your very identity and inability to perceive how others see you. These are not always overt feelings that you feel per se, they can be subtle, in the background of your mind like a gnawing feeling that convinces you don't deserve those things you listed or the ideal scenario someone has in their head is unattainable. And ofcourse severe cases are much worse.

Mindfulness, and Meditation by association, are the ways to identify the reoccurring thoughts and feelings, learning how to live with (not deal with or cure) them is key.

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by growlist on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @05:31AM (#19094081)
But hang on - there ARE serious problems in our society, culture and economy that need solving, and wishing them away or cloaking yourself in a blanket of warm feelings isn't going to change them, is it?
Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by nightcracker on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @05:33AM (#19094089)
It is going to solve acute problem of you personally being negatively affected by stress.
Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by geggam on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @07:17AM (#19094514)
Yet evolution teaches us that humans are hardwired to learn from negative events. In fact positive events tend to create addictions... or religions.
Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by rsynnott on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @06:42AM (#19094381)
There's a lot of evidence that mindfulness based stress reduction works, with somewhat weaker evidence for other applications of mindfulness. There's little evidence for self-help books or your 'just feel better' approach, though.
Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by grumdan on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @05:59AM (#19094197)
I would see it the other way around: To me the real issue is that our minds have a tendency to create a lot of unnecessary stress for ourselves and make us focus on goals that are unlikely to produce any lasting happiness, like constantly striving for new achievements.

Meditation, at least some forms of it, are attacking this particular problem at the source and try to help people let go of these mental habits. I get the converse feeling that hobbies / meeting up with friends / putting a lot of effort into work are engaging, but they also feel like pleasant distractions instead of addressing what I see as the real underlying issue. This is highly subjective and depends on on what ones wants to do with one's life, but meditation certainly isn't a surrogate solution to me.

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by samdoidge on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @05:30AM (#19094074)
I agree problems need to be tackled at the source, but some self-help books may help you deal with the problem. 12 Rules for Life is one such book.
Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by faceplanted on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @07:24AM (#19094549)
12 Rules for life is a complete mess of strangely used bible quotes, misattributed and misquoted philosophers, at one point blatant rape apology, and an obvious lack of empathy from the author throughout.

But one thing is does do well that I wish people would focus on over the obvious shortcomings of the author and why nothing has really replaced it yet is that it tells you in no uncertain terms that if you want to go anywhere or have any confidence in yourself you have to acknowledge that you live in a system that isn't always fair and try to make it work for you, paralysis will get you nowhere.

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by samdoidge on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @07:40AM (#19094624)
> 12 Rules for life is a complete mess of strangely used bible quotes, misattributed and misquoted philosophers

Can you be more specific with the misquoted and misattributed philosophers?

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by mayniac on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @11:21AM (#19096442)
Not specific to philosophers, but Contrapoints has a good breakdown of why the term "postmodern neo-marxists", which JBP uses a number of times throughout the book, shows a complete misunderstanding of modern philosophy. [1]

Not related to 12 rules, but Cuck Philosophy goes into JBP's lectures where he references postmodernism and again appears to completely misunderstand the fundamentals. [2]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqZdkkBDas (probably NSFW)

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU1LhcEh8Ms

Re:Schools in England Introduce a New Subject: Mindfulness by FrankyHollywood on Wednesday February 06, 2019 @05:41AM (#19094118)
yes you're right, some books can really be insightful, I've read some myself :)

Unfortunately I see people around me who drown in the therapy/self-help circuit. A lot of money is involved, and they keep running in circles. It seems to become a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you spend to much time reflecting on your life, it becomes part of your life which prevents you from really living. Before saying anymore clichés I'll stop, and go do something :)