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Re:Amazon fires employees who supported “yellow vest” blocka... by mschuster91 on Monday February 04, 2019 @09:45AM (#19076702)
> Sounds good until everyone starts doing it and the whole country collapses.

Well, better than having a situation like in Germany where the "Agenda 2010" reforms created an entire class of people working full-time but effectively being poor, called "Arbeitsprekariat". French protests have so far succeeded to prevent the repeating of German mistakes.

> The correct way to do it, is to wait for the next election and elect your preferred president.

The problem in France was that they had two choices thanks to kick-out voting: either far-right Le Pen or neoliberal Macron. So many chose Macron, simply to prevent Le Pen from winning.

To say that Macron is the legitimate president wanted by the majority of French population is... a stretch.

Re:Amazon fires employees who supported “yellow vest” blocka... by csomar on Monday February 04, 2019 @10:25AM (#19077018)
> To say that Macron is the legitimate president wanted by the majority of French population is... a stretch.

Everyone wants a free meal, free health care, free education and cheap public transport. Plus a cushy government job. These things come at a cost. You can't let people make these decisions (unless you are in Switzerland where you get a majority of people voting against a free lunch).

Many people in France are trapped in pay-cheque to pay-cheque and have lots of financial problems. So any pay increase will "save" them and they'll vote of it.

You said the french protests succeeded. That's only true if Macron was preventing French people from accessing their wealth. If that's not the case then the French protests have succeeded at making the future much worse. At the expenses of having a few more pennies today.

Hell, there is even a very close example: Greece.

ps: I'm not saying that Macron is the savior of the French finances. I'm not sure if his reforms are legitimate. But France has lots of baggage to reform and had lost lots of its influential mojo. Time to downscale.

Re:Amazon fires employees who supported “yellow vest” blocka... by mschuster91 on Monday February 04, 2019 @10:46AM (#19077206)
> Hell, there is even a very close example: Greece.

Greece (and Italy) are in no way comparable to France. Both countries have the historical problem of tax avoidance/evasion as a "public sport" which everyone from the small baker shop to the multi billion ship owner competes in, with a lot of organised crime/mafia added on top in Italy.

Both governments would have more than enough money to properly fund their citizens and their infrastructure if said citizens would pay their taxes.

> But France has lots of baggage to reform and had lost lots of its influential mojo. Time to downscale.

The question is, downscale but at what cost? Look at how much the "downscaling" aka the "Agenda 2010" in Germany cost... we lost the trust of a significant part of the population in the democratic system as a result and "gained" a relevant far-right party presence in parliaments.

Re:Amazon fires employees who supported “yellow vest” blocka... by entity345 on Monday February 04, 2019 @09:51AM (#19076748)
Macron is not "neoliberal"...

France needs reforms and has been postponing them for decades. What Macron is trying to do is needed and long overdue.

Re:Amazon fires employees who supported “yellow vest” blocka... by brmgb on Monday February 04, 2019 @12:23PM (#19078302)
> France needs reforms and has been postponing them for decades.

France needs stability a lot more than reforms. As a country, France still has a highly educated population, great infrastructure, a rich internal market and a solid canvas of small, medium and large business. France should be seeking growth through innovation and investment rather than constantly tweaking its tax code. France is however deeply handicaped by the euro. It is in my opinion the first victim of German dumping (the Hartz reform).

The whole France needs reform mantra is more rooted in ideology than facts. Macron is a Blairite who would rather fight the German by similarly depressing wages rather than confront them directly. It is a losing situation for everyone except the employers and will only lead to more inequality and more poverty in Europe. But well, guess who financed Macron presidential campain...

Re:Amazon fires employees who supported “yellow vest” blocka... by entity345 on Monday February 04, 2019 @01:41PM (#19079252)
How do you achieve growth? That's the key issue.

That's why the country needs reforms. Because the chronic lack of growth leads to protests like the Yellow Vests's.

It is not handicaped by the Euro. The issue is systemic: Red tape, anti-business, anti-innovation, bloated public sector.