Things that are more inequitable than road pricing

Re:Things that are more inequitable than road pricing by Johnny555 on Sunday February 03, 2019 @11:18PM (#19073970)

try transporting kids or groceries using the subway.

When I lived in an area where I could commute by subway, I had a full service grocery store and several smaller specialty markets (a produce market, a butcher and a bakery) on my way home (well I had to get out one stop early to pass the butcher). I see plenty of parents with kids on the subway -- though none of them have the full-size strollers you see coming out of the backs of SUVs.

So instead of making one large shopping trip every week or two, I'd stop several times a week on my way home.

Though now I just buy groceries online and have them delivered, in the rare cases where I do want to go to the supermarket, I take my bike.

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Re:Things that are more inequitable than road pricing by masonic on Monday February 04, 2019 @05:39AM (#19075253)

  Though now I just buy groceries online and have them delivered

... which requires more road use than people stopping by the store on the way home. (Round trip vs. one way)

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Re:Things that are more inequitable than road pricing by Johnny555 on Monday February 04, 2019 @12:46PM (#19078597)

Does it? A truck uses around the same road space as a car, so if it removes one person in the neighborhood's round trip to the store (not everyone has a grocery store on their way home from work), then it's a net win. Even if everyone makes a small side trip to go to the store on the way home from work, that one truck can replace ~50 side-trips to the store.

Though in my case, I usually alternate between bus and bike to work, so if I did drive to the store, it'd be a round trip. If I bike to the store, it means a round-trip from home since I usually have one or 2 commuter panniers on the bike when I go to work, and don't want to haul the empty trailer all the way to work and back.

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Re:Things that are more inequitable than road pricing by masonic on Monday February 04, 2019 @06:21PM (#19081683)

  Does it? A truck uses around the same road space as a car

Well, if you ignore fuel consumption, pollution, and parking impact. Anyway...

  so if it removes one person in the neighborhood's round trip to the store

No, I was referring to the specific "on my way home" use case you referred to... which is the typical case. If you stop by the store on the way home, you aren't adding a trip in either direction. Having delivery adds two trips, from and to. Two trips vs. zero.

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Re:Things that are more inequitable than road pricing by Johnny555 on Monday February 04, 2019 @09:10PM (#19082550)

"No, I was referring to the specific "on my way home" use case you referred to"

I don't think you read my entire comment: "When I lived in an area where I could commute by subway, I had a full service grocery store and several smaller specialty markets (a produce market, a butcher and a bakery) on my way home"

I was referring to the comment asking how to shop by subway -- the answer is to shop in smaller increments, but now that I bus/bike to work and no longer walk past a grocery store on my way home, I just have groceries delivered.

Your answer seems to be saying that the answer to shopping on the subway is to not take the subway and drive to work and stop at the store on the way home.

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Re:Things that are more inequitable than road pricing by erik_seaberg on Monday February 04, 2019 @06:50PM (#19081839)

Depends on zoning. If each customer has to go a mile out of their way, but each customer's home is within a mile of the next, the traveling salesman route (start at the store, visit each home, finally return to the store) is shorter and doesn't need to happen during rush hour.

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