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Re:The Chinese Room Argument by viraptor on Sunday February 03, 2019 @04:59PM (#19072495)
It could be a weaker argument: One can theoretically make a fully materialistic device acting in a way indistinguishable from consciousness.

Which still preserves the question: if you can reliably fake knowing Chinese, do you know Chinese?

Re:The Chinese Room Argument by joe_the_user on Sunday February 03, 2019 @05:31PM (#19072664)
Yeah, the thing about the argument is it mixes together two close but distinct arguments in a way that makes it harder to argue with either.

On the one hand, there's the implication that because it's just books and boxes & whatever, it can't do the impressive feat of speaking Chinese.

On the other hand, there's the implication that if it is a "room" or "computer" or something doing the speaking of Chinese, it can't "really" be doing it because it doesn't have the spark of life or a soul or whatever magic one might name.

And because the argument has a bit of both these claims to it, it is hard to address since a proponent can go back and forth between them.

That this argument was taken seriously by philosophers was rather disheartening to me when I discovered this, when it became obvious there really wasn't any more there than a colorful (but not particular relevant) metaphor.