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Re:The cloud skills shortage and the unemployed army of the ... by znpy on Saturday February 02, 2019 @10:00AM (#19063278)
I think that the core of the issue lies in their certification style: simple multiple-choices question, with many of them certifying that you understood that you should use the branded product (example: Amazon RDS instead of managing your own posters cluster in the cloud -- which might best suit your use case).

So you're tested on your understanding of the platform but not on your actual competences on it.

I've seen this in other areas however: people getting LPIC certifications and failing to run a proper grep.

In my experience, Red Hat is one of the few tech companies that get the certification program right by using an hands-on approach: either you actually are capable of performing tasks at a certain level, or you get not certification at all.

There are many professionals certified on AWS that aren't really able to perform properly on that platform, for example. Add the fact that plain old system administration I'd dying (less and less needed with the cloud and things like ansible)... And here we are.

Re:The cloud skills shortage and the unemployed army of the ... by mancerayder on Saturday February 02, 2019 @04:16PM (#19065762)
Hm, I have a mixed opinion here.

The AWS Associate certs are similar to what you describe, particularly the "Solutions Architect" which is IMO common sense for a systems admin. The "Developer" one, though, requires memorizing some trivia around APIs and limits (eg., SQS queue sizes and stuff like that).

However, the AWS Professional certs are said to be MUCH harder, and while multiple choice, require reading a lot of scenario information quickly, and then selecting more than one answer (sometimes not being told how many answers). I haven't taken it but I expect to take the DevOps Professional exam at some point. I could be wrong, but everything I've seen so far, including sample questions, suggests it requires a fair bit of hands-on experience.

However, where everything I said becomes false is around the culture of answer dumps. I'm pretty sure there are dumps sold out there for cheaters to purchase. It's a pretty silly thing to do, especially because you'll be fired if you demonstrate incompetence in the field, but it does undermine the multiple choice test mechanism for certifications.

Re:The cloud skills shortage and the unemployed army of the ... by scarface74 on Saturday February 02, 2019 @05:17PM (#19066115)
I can definitely tell you the Professional exams are harder. It’s hard to fake your way through that. I breezed through the Associate ones but the professional ones took time just to read and comprehend the questions.

I would never try to get a pure AWS job with just theoretical knowledge.

Re:The cloud skills shortage and the unemployed army of the ... by barbecue_sauce on Saturday February 02, 2019 @01:40PM (#19064767)
The Kubernetes certifications are also hands on, and actually require a lot of operational knowledge that someone who uses it on a daily basis probably wouldn't even be exposed to (like bootstrapping it from scratch as opposed to using more commonly accepted tools).

From what I can tell, AWS recently offloaded their certification program onto a third party, so I doubt it will improve anytime soon.

Re:The cloud skills shortage and the unemployed army of the ... by dankohn1 on Saturday February 02, 2019 @02:58PM (#19065291)
Yes, as part of the Certified Kubernetes Administrator exam, you spin up, configure, and debug 7 clusters.

https://www.cncf.io/certification/training/

(Disclosure: I helped develop the exam.)

Re:The cloud skills shortage and the unemployed army of the ... by barbecue_sauce on Saturday February 02, 2019 @04:03PM (#19065691)
How stable is the exam at this point? I was looking into it a few months ago, but it seemed that Kubernetes' own APIs and primitives were expanding at the time so I figured I should hold off.

(Also heard your interview on Software Engineering Daily the other day, very informative)

Re:The cloud skills shortage and the unemployed army of the ... by dankohn1 on Saturday February 02, 2019 @04:29PM (#19065841)
The exam had some rough edges in the first 6 months but has been quite stable for a year now. We update it every 3 months to match any changes with newer K8s versions, but the changes are quite minor.

And, thank you. I've been a listener of Jeff's for a while and enjoyed our chance to chat. https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2019/01/14/kubernetes-i...