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Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by fylox on Monday November 15, 2010 @09:31AM (#1906327)
Cubase user here cough Anyway I'd imagine that working for Ableton is fairly cool.

Although I am not qualified enough for such a position I am curious what requirements they have. I check your link and they ask for at least 2 years of experience. Is that "all" ?

As a CS drop out I can't even provide bachelor's degree. The point I am trying to make is: As far as I know here in Germany employees always ask for degrees. Am I way off?

Could I train myself the necessary skills and then work my way up and then some day I'd be qualified enough to work for a company like Ableton?

Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by deets on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:00AM (#1906417)
I'm the chap responsible for the Python developer hiring at Ableton.

To sum it up: I don't give a rats ass for any degrees. I don't even have one myself. We send applicants a programming test. I get these tests, and I assess them without even skimming the CV. Because it would otherwise just skew my observations.

If the test convinced me that you can code, you will have a job-interview, via phone or in person depending on if it's feasible to fly you in to Berlin or not.

This interview is pure technical, either.

If this convinced me that you are a good coder, I will arrange a third interview with the CTO, who has the final say on all employments. I won't spoil the enjoyment of that for you :)

Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by fylox on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:30AM (#1906530)
Thank you for your fast reply which was quite revealing.

I've been into electronic music production & sounddesign for about 8 years now. But I never saw a way that this could somehow be helpful when it comes to finding a job.

Two terms of CS gave me some insight into programming but I mainly solved little mathematical problems rather than gaining insight into "real world software programming".

Now I am attending business school and try to figure out how to avoid a typical office job so that I can do something more rewarding, where I can be somewhat more myself, instead.

I should seriously get into programming in my spare time...

Sorry to everyone else for hijacking this thread. ;-)

€: just finished the video. Looks like an awesome working atmosphere indeed!

Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by lenni on Monday November 15, 2010 @12:07PM (#1906991)
Hi, I have read the job descriptions and they sound really great. I have 2 questions:

1. I have left university 13 months ago and have worked for an online shopping company in Berlin ever since. I have done freelance development as a student, so is the 2 years experience an absolute must?

2. The hiring page is in English but would you like a German-style application (photo, lots and lots of certificates and grades) or the much shorter Anglicized version (3 pages max).

Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by deets on Monday November 15, 2010 @01:02PM (#1907204)
The 2 years are no strict requirement. If you apply for a job + I like your programming test, you are interviewed.

Regarding the CV: give us whatever you have. I personally won't read it, eventually somebody in HR might - but it's not used to filter applications.

The other day we even looked at a 20-year old highschool student, because he looked promising. Neither CV nor experience. We didn't take him for a bunch of reasons, but that's another story.

Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by zalew on Monday November 15, 2010 @08:26PM (#1908684)
Hi! It's nice about the degree, I'm also a dropout. One question: is fluent german necessary, or can a newcomer speak english and learn on the way? I'm quite good at learning languages, but I suppose I won't speak fluently in the next few months :)
Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by deets on Tuesday November 16, 2010 @04:23AM (#1909590)
We gather around 20 nations under one roof - english is the main language.

We also offer german-courses for employees. And english for the germans ;)

Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by zalew on Tuesday November 16, 2010 @05:03AM (#1909657)
nice! sounds really promissing :)
Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by brunoc on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:29AM (#1906527)
Ableton Live fanboy here -- You guys are doing a great job. I haven't looked into it lately but what's the status on scripting Live (with Python or whichever language) ? I would kill to have an API I could use to create tracks programmatically.
Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by deets on Monday November 15, 2010 @10:47AM (#1906608)
[edit] sorry, re-read your post. You asked for any way, not python specifically.

The defined API for interacting with Live is Max For Live. Python is only used internally, and to a limited extend.

And for The Bridge, we introduced an XML-based document format, which should be a second option to generate live-sets.

Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by snikolov on Tuesday November 16, 2010 @01:54AM (#1909343)
4th year EECS major here. I'm doing a 5 year bachelors/masters program. Do you typically take summer interns?
Re:Ask HN: Berlin - costs of living, python jobs? by deets on Tuesday November 16, 2010 @04:26AM (#1909594)
No. It makes no sense to us. Regardless of how good one is, the amount of time & effort until he or she is productive is a waste IMHO. And working with SCRUM makes it even harder, as there are no idling side-projects one can place a student on and then look at occasionally. All devlopers need to be real team members.