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Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by 0x262d on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:43PM (#19059493)
fact checking has always been a silly, hopeless attempt to find a technocratic solution to fundamentally political problems.
Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by sgc on Friday February 01, 2019 @07:01PM (#19059983)
I disagree completely. That's the equivalent of saying property restitution is stupid because the real problem is why thieves steal.
Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by 0x262d on Sunday February 03, 2019 @02:17AM (#19068273)
no it isn't
Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by TheOperator on Saturday February 02, 2019 @01:06PM (#19064537)
Fact checking is a great development. Don't get hung up on fact checkers bogus claims of neutrality and objectivity. Instead realise that "fact check" articles are basically like regular news articles but with easy to track down references and sources.
Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by 0x262d on Sunday February 03, 2019 @02:17AM (#19068271)
but that isn't "fact checking" - it's a very limited promise (of being well-sourced). and even then it is debatable. objectively true and as-good-as-neutral is exactly the claim being made, at least implicitly, by the fact checking hype.

the ultimate effect of fact-checking will be to reinforce the power of mainstream, well-established news sources, which is all well and good unless you think they consciously choose which facts they share and how they frame them in a way that goes against your interests, which I believe is often true (and plenty of people agree with me). then it falls back to being a failed technocratic solution to a political problem very suddenly.

Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by fitpolar on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:52PM (#19059555)
It's a hopeless quest until AI reaches a certain level of objective interpretation.

Regarding humans, most people who are capable of researching truth without any bias, don't have a voice. Human history is riddled with partisan extremists presenting biased information as neutral and factual. Snopes is no exception.

Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by Steko on Friday February 01, 2019 @09:57PM (#19060731)
> partisan extremists presenting biased information as neutral and factual. Snopes is no exception.

Please cite some of these "partisan extremist" examples from Snopes.

Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by deogeo on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:56PM (#19059589)
Do you trust whoever trained or is controlling the AI?
Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by fitpolar on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:59PM (#19059610)
At this point nothing is trustworthy. But I have more faith that AI is going to do a better job in future than humans ever have. We may be 100 years away from that though, or 1000 years. Who knows?
Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by 52-6F-62 on Friday February 01, 2019 @06:31PM (#19059810)
And then this AI is the sole bearer of all ultimate, unarguable truth regardless. Like a god you mean?
Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by fitpolar on Friday February 01, 2019 @06:37PM (#19059850)
Is that your interpretation? Mine is the opposite: "At this point nothing is trustworthy".

Just saying that humans have an extremely poor track record at compromising information for political gain. Anything would be better at this point, you can't get any worse.

Re:Snopes pulls out of its fact-checking partnership with Fa... by 52-6F-62 on Friday February 01, 2019 @07:01PM (#19059985)
I think it could get worse but that’s just me.

I prefer an aggregate. Then I can derive what I think is the truth.

Trust is learned, anyway. Except for children— they often do as a default until a point in their lives.