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Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by simion314 on Friday February 01, 2019 @03:02AM (#19052456)
>Was anybody ever in any doubt these Apple positions the phone as explicitly not an open computing platform?

I don't think many people think about it, so it6 is not like people are tricked to think is an open computer but they are not even consider the implication. Does average iOS user know that at any moment Apple can brick his device, can remove stuff from his device, can install whatever they want, do they consider that in future this devices will be just briks without the software/cloud part(at least with consoles you may be able to use games on disks for now)

Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by mcny on Friday February 01, 2019 @04:16AM (#19052734)
On this topic, the smart speakers and to a larger extent smart displays from Amazon Alexa and Google Assistant (and maybe even the fire TV and Chromecast) are very reliant on connection to the server to deliver anything of value.

I don't think people realize that it can just go away at any time. I'm sure the terms and conditions allow a clause which shows the company to shut down these services at any time without facing a requirement to buy back these (now useless) gadgets.

Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by scarface74 on Friday February 01, 2019 @06:57AM (#19053406)
And this is different from Google how?
Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by sbuk on Friday February 01, 2019 @04:16AM (#19052732)
the funny thing is, IIRC, Google are the ones that have *actuallt8 done this.
Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by simion314 on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:23AM (#19053055)
Do you think that Apple servers will be up forever? That the app you bought today will be there for you to re-install in 20 years?

My point is that incidents show regular people the things that are usually "hidden" in big EULAs, is good to have such big incidents we can link to, like when someone tells ypou that is better to keep your data on Google servers since they have brilliant engineers you can link to incidents like the Google+ leaks to show that even Google can ignore security or make mistakes.

Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by sbuk on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:00AM (#19055151)
I don’t disagree, though I would say it’s an absurd point. I’m confident enough that Apple’s servers, hosted between GCP, AWS and Azure AFAIK, will outlast my current iPhone and my next few. Also that apps I bought even 10 years ago that are still of use and supported are available to me now.

The EULA that was breached here was an Enterprise agreement between Google and Apple. It will have been poured over by teams of lawyers. An individual at Google had decided, “fuck it, whats the worst that could happen?” and found out.

I’ve seen people frequently be accused of being “Apple apologist” on this site. What I’m reading is the exact opposite. Google are responsible for their actions, no-one else. As is constantly pointed out, there is an alternative to iPhone, where choice and “freedom” exist, but it comes at a non-financial cost.

Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by simion314 on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:42AM (#19055682)
I am happy with the Apple decision to force their EULAs for the reason more people can see now what is inside the EULAs.

Not all people change their device every 2 years, there should be no reason why you could not use (or give to someone else to continue using) a device(phone,tablet, TV, watch) until it just falls apart.

Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by sbuk on Friday February 01, 2019 @11:51AM (#19055767)
So let me get this straight - your take away from this is that Apple is bad because they could remove apps from your device, but Google is OK, even though the have actually removed apps and because reasons. We’re done here.
Re:Apple restores Google’s internal iOS apps after certifica... by simion314 on Friday February 01, 2019 @01:40PM (#19057063)
No, I am not on Google camp, Google did not respect the EULA, Apple was right to apply the EULA, so all was legal and fair as per the Apple and Google contract.

My point is that big EULAs are bad, not controlling your hardware is bad (no matter if is Apple,MS or Google), this incident makes it clear what rights you have with this kind of EULAs