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Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by 51lver on Thursday January 31, 2019 @06:22PM (#19050061)
You're not wrong, you're just in the wrong place. Apple is the sysadmin and the phone holders are the users. They WANT apple looking out for them. Anyone who says otherwise stupidly wasted $1000 when they could have bought any number of unlockable devices for that money.

I say this with an unlocked and de-googled android phone next to me, and several hacked arm devices at home. I OWN THEM, with no doubt, so I agree with you in a different world.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by jlokier on Thursday January 31, 2019 @07:23PM (#19050511)
I mostly agree - except people want Apple products for other reasons too.

There are quite a few Apple users who like the hardware, the operating system, apps which are iOS-only, and the integration with other Apple devices - some of whom also want to run their own choice of software as well.

There's no alternative which has equivalent benefits, if that's what you're looking for.

(NB, I don't use an Apple phone personally).

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by nihonde on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:55PM (#19051203)
No one is entitled to Apple’s operating system. If you want freedom, the price is Android or whatever. In fact, the restrictions that Apple imposes on iOS and MacOS are arguably what makes them desirable in terms of consistent user experience, robust default security, and lack of crapware. For some people, that’s a good trade off. For others, the allure of Apple’s walled garden is too tempting.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by wutbrodo on Thursday January 31, 2019 @06:41PM (#19050191)
Is this true of people who voluntarily signed up to be paid for data collection? It's like saying that Nielsen panelists need to be protected from Nielsen by Vizio. (Insert standard caveat about the degree to which kids' autonomy is in the hands of their parents).
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by makomk on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:12PM (#19051017)
It's funny you should mention Nielsen, I did a bit of digging and found these very familiar-looking installation instructions: http://www.arbitron.com/research/installhelp/install_ios9_en...
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by Legogris on Thursday January 31, 2019 @07:42PM (#19050625)
An important difference that Nielsen doesn't have an agreement with Vizio that they broke and the "protection" being Vizio terminating their end of that agreement as a response.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by wutbrodo on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:40PM (#19050877)
As much as I dislike Apple, its amorality, its attitude towards it users, its effect on the markets it's in, etc, I don't have any disagreements with Apple's actions here: Facebook/Google violated their license, so Apple revoked them.

But the terms of this license are by no means "protecting" users who voluntarily chose to install these apps for payment. A license can have multiple legitimate purposes, including protecting the business interests of the licenser. There's no need to pretend that Apple is protecting users in order to defend their actions here.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by Legogris on Friday February 01, 2019 @05:02AM (#19052940)
Indeed. The violation here really has nothing to do with protecting users, as you say, it's more of a positive side-effect. On the other hand, if it weren't for that aspect, the press-coverage that sparked Apple's revokal would most likely not have happened.

Apple found themselves in a position were doing "the good thing" aligned with business.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by Spooky23 on Thursday January 31, 2019 @10:17PM (#19051280)
Nielsen is a white Knight compared to what Vizio is doing.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by 51lver on Thursday January 31, 2019 @06:54PM (#19050270)
Users with spyware should be dealt with by their admins.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by adrr on Thursday January 31, 2019 @11:39PM (#19051625)
If you asked IOS users about all the restrictions Apple places on apps, I bet less than 10% could tell you any of them. I also bet the majority of them would disagree with Apple's policy on forbidding real alternatives to Safari instead skinned Webviews.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by politician on Thursday January 31, 2019 @06:43PM (#19050206)
Do you run your own firmware on the baseband processor?
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by chii on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:36PM (#19050864)
The question isn't "do you", but "could you"?

And atm, you couldn't on a locked down device.

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by Gorbzel on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:39PM (#19051133)
> You can’t do that on any modern smartphone with the UX most have come to expect of their devices.

FTFY

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by 51lver on Thursday January 31, 2019 @06:59PM (#19050298)
I play in firmware whenever I have the opportunity, absolutely. SPI is fun!

Do you?

Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by politician on Thursday January 31, 2019 @07:02PM (#19050324)
I don't; but the world is a better place because of people that have that skillset.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by moron4hire on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:03PM (#19050721)
Give it a try. The tools are a little primitive, but it's not black magic.
Re:Apple blocks Google from running its internal iOS apps by damgoodpoint on Thursday January 31, 2019 @06:30PM (#19050113)
Never made this connection — genius