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Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by rusk on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:05AM (#19044398)
In terms of trade, how is it exactly they can complement each other? The geography is a bit of an issue for actual physical goods, and I'm not sure what the UK produces that the US needs. Luxury cars maybe, but IIRC most of these marques aren't even owned by the UK any more, except for perhaps the high end. Cheap Bentley's for American oligarchs?

Services, maybe - but again most of the core banking will move away from the UK post Brexit and even then there's a lot of overlap in competencies between the UK and USA. There's a lot of smart people in the UK for sure, but there's a lot of smart people in the US.

I can't help but think the whole idea of a US/UK trade alliance is borne more of anglophone ideology than any kind of practicalities.

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by NeedMoreTea on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:22AM (#19044487)
There's a few obvious areas.

Don't really see it as an opportunity to save face myself. More an opportunity for those who were the driving force behind Brexit (who entirely coincidentally have significant offshore business interests) to create UK buying opportunities. Opportunities that will arise as our livestock farmers compete against terrible US welfare standards. Despite UK population having shown for decades they want better welfare than even EU standards.

We'd probably lose CE or BSI marks, environmental protections, EU regional food protections, and the price and generic restrictions within the NHS most likely. I'm not sure even the Tories would dare open us up to US healthcare companies, yet. They'll move as far as they think they can get away with.

Then there'll be all the industries that will benefit from harmonisation of UK and US regulatory differences. ie, The US majors will benefit from the GB garage sale of newly failing businesses as Theresa May's fine negotiating team ask for nothing in return except a paper hat.

Edit: ps, Bentley are Volkswagen owned.

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by arethuza on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:14AM (#19044442)
Top exports from the UK to the US, in order, appear to be: cars, pharmaceuticals and mechanical power generators, works of art and refined oil:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44802666

Interestingly, the UK exports rather a lot more to the US than it imports from there.

Edit: What is worrying is that investment in UK car building has drammetically reduced

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/uk-car-manufactu...

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by rusk on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:27AM (#19044520)
> mechanical power generators

Well I never ... I wouldn't have thought that would be something the US would need to import ...

> works of art

Doesn't this refer to a lot of the branding work done by the likes of Starbucks, Amazon etc. which then get written off against tax or something (hence value is quite inflated).

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by arethuza on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:31AM (#19044541)
I don't think the UK would be exporting Starbucks or Amazon branding?
Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by rusk on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:31AM (#19044547)
They totally would. It's a tax thing. IP transfer happens between national operating units all the time for just this reason.
Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by arethuza on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:38AM (#19044585)
Yes, transfer pricing - but that's how the parent companies would move profits from the UK to elsewhere by licensing their IP to their legal entities in the UK.

Of course, it might be UK brands licensing their IP?

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by pintxo on Thursday January 31, 2019 @11:27AM (#19045956)
Sorry, seems there is not much left under UK control

  Bentley -> Volkswagen
  Rolls Royce, Mini -> BMW
  Aston Martin -> Seems to be independent again
  McLaren -> Half the company is owned by Bahrain
  Lotus -> Geely (China)
  Jaguar/Land Rover -> Tata (India)
Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by morrbo on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:20AM (#19044480)
You've misunderstood. Practically speaking, the UK needs to buy shit, the US needs to sell shit. UK has effectively blocked out 1/3 of the world (Europe) from a trade deal because we'd never get one as good as the current free trade agreement with the EU. Our politicians won't be stupid enough to say "we've left the EU, but have made a worse deal with Europe than we had before". Similarly EU won't make a deal with the UK which disallows freedom of movement and other "core" EU values, so any deal made would either require circumstances similar to pre-brexit EU to happen, or would just flat out be a worse deal.

Distance really isn't much of an issue at scale, when your cheap stuff comes from China - - edit - to clarify, the point i'm trying to make is that it really doesn't cost much to ship stuff halfway around the world, especially en masse. -, or meat from New Zealand, this isn't much of an argument. This would be a purely US beneficial deal, the UK wouldn't really be bringing anything into the US, other than maybe finance services, specialist products or (i guess) softer products like educational visas?

There's quite a big controversy over here at the moment about the possibility of a US trade deal. We are being told that for it to happen we would have to accept terms like chlorinated chicken/steroid injected beef, and then agree to other things like labeling the origin of the product (so you would never really know if you were eating US or UK products). There's a whole other host of subtleties which would degrade the UK whilst being beneficial to the US, just do a bit of googling about the proposed deals.

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by rusk on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:26AM (#19044515)
> when your cheap stuff comes from China

Yeah except neither party to this deal is producing "cheap stuff". Both consider themselves to be very much "top tier".

> edit - to clarify, the point i'm trying to make is that it really doesn't cost much to ship stuff halfway around the world, especially en masse

Yeah, if the stuff is "cheap". Like dramatically cheaper than what you can produce at home.

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by morrbo on Thursday January 31, 2019 @08:34AM (#19044556)
lol mate you're really not getting it. You said "the geography is a bit of an issue for physical goods". I'm saying, when you can order a sheep from new zealand, or a USB stick from China, and have it show up a few days or a week later, this isn't really a good argument.
Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by louisswiss on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:31AM (#19044904)
There is a kernel of truth to this, in that today geography is less an issue than it used to be.

Unfortunately for Brexiteers who use this as an argument for No-Deal Brexit being an opportunity, however, geography was a big consideration for how pretty much every company in the world has set up its supply chains and partners.

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by rusk on Thursday January 31, 2019 @11:08AM (#19045740)
"lol mate" what is this snapchat? , you're the one that's not getting it.

"The geography is a bit of an issue for physical goods" when you're not producing goods cheap enough to cover the cost of transit. The UK does not produce cheap goods. Quite the opposite.

I don't think racing to the bottom in living standards to compete productively with China is something that people voting for Brexit had in mind.

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by morrbo on Thursday January 31, 2019 @12:29PM (#19046603)
The UK would be IMPORTING goods from the US.. I don't get where you're getting this idea we'd be exporting cheap goods from the UK to the US. The examples i explicitly stated were things like education, specialized tech (which would be fine for shipping), and access to financial services, which once again doesn't need shipping. For the last time, i'm not saying that the UK is going suddenly start mass producing cheap goods to export to the US? I dont know where you've got that idea from. The US, however, does create a lot of cheap goods which they'd be exporting TO the UK, such as your corn, meats, etc.

The main issue people are concerned about is that the UK would be flooded with cheaper/sub standard goods (re. chlorinated chicken) that they can't differentiate between standard UK/EU products which are of a higher quality. Currently, US meat is outright banned in the EU, if there's an influx in cheap/chemically altered meats coming from the US which people can't differentiate from (this is partially due to the terms of the trading deal banning branding of goods as "Produced in the UK") then people are worried they'd accidentally end up buying them.

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by rusk on Thursday January 31, 2019 @01:05PM (#19047057)
I’m understanding you alright ... so a massive trade deficit in USA’s favour so!

Not such a concern about where you’re going to get the £££ if all you’re buying is cheap junk in $$$ but even so there’s got to be cheaper places to buy cheap junk from and sure with the rules lifted why not just start producing cheap junk yourself!

Re:Skirting U.S. sanctions, Europeans launch trade mechanism... by krona on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:03AM (#19044725)
chlorinated chicken/steroid injected beef

Such things would be clearly labelled and no worse than the US standard. If consumers want it, they will buy it. If they don't, they won't.