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Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by IgorPartola on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @05:51PM (#19040462)
I have been doing internet things since the early 2000s. I learned HTML and FTP and many other technologies back then precisely to say something online. I disagree that things are less weird now.

Things are more weird. Where there was one weird place, there are now thousands. Even if only 1% of today’s sites are “weird” that’s bigger than all of the internet of 1995 combined. Rising tide lifts all ships.

Want to talk on a BBS? Head on over to SDF. They got you covered. IRC is still alive and kicking, though now with far greater capabilities. GitHub. Think about what people used to have before GitHub. I uploaded things to SourceForge back when it was one of the few choices. Oof. Think about the kind of weird shit you can find on GitHub/GitLab/etc. today.

The thing is that the apparent problem is that non-nerds are now allowed online. The horror. I have found plenty of strange, weird, niche, 1337, whatever communities now and they are made better by the fact that you don’t always have to have a magnetized needle and a steady hand to use them. All you gotta do to find them is to look just beyond Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. Hell, some subreddits are microcosms onto themselves.

But this nostalgia for the “good old days” when you couldn’t have a web page in Russian and Korean at the same time is just that, nostalgia. What has actually been lost that we used to have but don’t today?

Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by noir_lord on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @06:01PM (#19040544)
I never said anything about "good old days" give me a choice between 1995 internet and 2019 internet and I'll take 2019 in a heartbeat.

Wikipedia alone would make that choice easy.

Throw in that I can get an answer to some obscure error code in some library to talk to an old piece of hardware in <30s and I'm completely sold.

I was just describing my experience between then and now.

> The thing is that the apparent problem is that non-nerds are now allowed online.

Now you are just projecting, I never said modern internet was worse and I definitely didn't say anything about non-nerds been a problem, the internet is a larger part of my mums life (nearly house bound due to arthritis) than it is mine and that's a good thing.

Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by hyperpallium on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @08:24PM (#19041401)
It's great for tech research, but if you search for anything else, it's all spam/commercial sites.
Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by marci on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:27PM (#19042052)
In what domain do you find spam to be overwhelmingly present?
Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by sanbor on Thursday January 31, 2019 @04:29AM (#19043585)
I can be really hard to find "hot singles in your area" nowadays.
Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by mod on Thursday January 31, 2019 @03:32PM (#19048520)
Fitness, health, DIY, investing to name a few I see regularly.
Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by IgorPartola on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:40AM (#19044969)
That’s fair. My response was partially to the general theme of the thread, and your comment described quite well the 1995 state of things.

My comment about the non-nerds being the apparent problem is not that I actually think that. It’s that this sentiment often comes up. But reality is that we have way more nerds online now than before.

And overall the whole article is basically an advert for a new blogging system. Which may or may not be fun to use, but pining for the days when XSS was a desired feature.

Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by mirimir on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:17PM (#19042000)
> Things are more weird. Where there was one weird place, there are now thousands. Even if only 1% of today’s sites are “weird” that’s bigger than all of the internet of 1995 combined. Rising tide lifts all ships.

Yes, this is the counterpoint to TFA. Sure, it's a lot harder to find "weird" stuff now. Especially because it tends to get pushed down in search results. But once you find something that's "weird" in your preferred way, there are often links to lots more of it.

Also, you'll find lots more "weird" on Tor onion sites, I2P and Freenet. There are a few reasons for that, I think. One is relative lack of censorship. Also, a lot of content is more or less standalone, generated by users using simple tools, on VPS or shared hosting. And there are constraints imposed by high latency and limited bandwidth. All of that is like the old Web.

So anyway, TFA is correct, if we're talking about the Web ("internet") as a whole. But not if we're talking about the absolute amount of “weird” content.

Re:Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? by pavel_lishin on Thursday January 31, 2019 @09:45AM (#19045017)
> The thing is that the apparent problem is that non-nerds are now allowed online.

Eternal September is forever.