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Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by mark-r on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:07AM (#19035595)
Exactly. With phone number spoofing, all the scammer needs is the phone number of someone on your list. With social media how long do you think it would take to generate such a list, and to get propagated to every scammer?
Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:21AM (#19035711)
In UK some of the call centres use a fake local number.

It seems to me that phone companies can detect that, but they don't want to reduce the number of calls, do they?

Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by magduf on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:43AM (#19035944)
How is a spammer going to figure out phone numbers of people on my list from social media? I don't know about you, but I don't have my Facebook friends publicly viewable.

And that's an awful lot of work just to cold-call someone to try to sell them insurance or whatever.

Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by ryanlol on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @11:36AM (#19036537)
With a handy-dandy facebook bug that allows them to scrape such data at scale?

This has happened multiple times before, at least two separate incidents have made the news.

Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by magduf on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:32PM (#19037176)
This doesn't seem like a reliable way of running a business: just hoping that you can exploit a bug in Facebook (which will surely be fixed before long) so you can grab people's friends, try to figure out their phone numbers, then spoof them, then cold-call them trying to sell them crap insurance.

I'm sorry, this just sounds far-fetched to me. History seems to have shown that when hurdles are just a little too high, the spammers just don't bother.

Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by ryanlol on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @01:56PM (#19038054)
Why just facebook? Spammers have been exploiting bugs like this in everything for years. The data gets scraped and then sold and resold.
Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by balabaster on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:20AM (#19035706)
This would need to be spoofed for every individual though. I imagine this would be cost prohibitive enough that it would at least in the short term kill most spam phone calls.
Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by mark-r on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @11:39AM (#19036574)
On the contrary, it represents a revenue opportunity for the first person who can generate a list of matching pairs of phone number and friend phone number. I wouldn't expect the list to be prohibitively expensive because it will be resold thousands of time.
Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by wittedhaddock on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:30AM (#19035807)
Can you explain phone number spoofing to me? Is there truly phone spoofing that is more than faking the dialer on the client?
Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by emerongi on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:52AM (#19036036)
There is no way for you to verify whether the caller's phone number is actually the real source. Anyone can impersonate anyone. It's like the source address in an IP packet. You can put whatever you want in there.

This is mostly a US problem though. In Europe, the operators tend to be more strict on this, AFAIK.

Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by umvi on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:44AM (#19035950)
You should read the book "Ghost in the Wires" by Kevin Mitnick. It will really open your eyes as to what is possible with phones.
Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by wittedhaddock on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @10:57AM (#19036101)
can I borrow your copy? I will pay shipping to and fro' :)
Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by umvi on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @11:58AM (#19036831)
Sure! But honestly, it will probably be cheaper for you to just buy it from Amazon for $8. Or, read it for free using Overdrive (if you have a Kindle/ereader).
Re:Ask HN: Why can’t I block all incoming calls that aren’t ... by wittedhaddock on Wednesday January 30, 2019 @12:41PM (#19037275)
But this way I get to bug you about my discoveries and compare interpretations with yours... the knowledge comes with instruction hehe