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Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by sovietmudkipz on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:46PM (#19022281)
I think the idea behind intellectual property is to encourage people to take risks associated with developing something new and profit through their innovations. If all new discoveries were the property of the state/public then there wouldn't be a high incentive to be inventive for any given individual.

It's like if everyone was a farmer but everything harvested was immediately taken from the farmer. Why would any farmer put in effort to increase yield when they would not profit from their extra effort?

Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by jujulet on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:06PM (#19023386)
> I think the idea behind intellectual property is to encourage people to take risks associated with developing something new and profit through their innovations.

No, the idea is to prevent other people from profiting through 'claimed' innovations.

> If all new discoveries were the property of the state/public then there wouldn't be a high incentive to be inventive for any given individual.

Most innovation is not done for money. It's done by people with genuine interest in the subject, often earning less than an average professional in the field. The vast majority of valuable R&D for computer(s/ing) came, and still comes from the public sector.

> It's like if everyone was a farmer but everything harvested was immediately taken from the farmer.

Why is it that intellectual property proponents always try to make analogies using physical property? Copying != moving/deleting. If I was a farmer and along came some poor hungry people that saw me farming, learned from it, then went and farmed their own land, I would have no problem with that.

> Why would any farmer put in effort to increase yield when they would not profit from their extra effort?

If we're talking about innovation, then because it could make farming easier, safer, more enjoyable, healthier, etc.

Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by ndnxhs on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:48PM (#19022301)
Its unfortunate that out economical system discourages sharing and rewards those who act selfishly. If the farmers needs were taken care of, they would push to make better tech to make their lives easier and provide more food for the rest of their country.
Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by sovietmudkipz on Friday February 01, 2019 @08:14AM (#19053783)
The best system humans have come up with to meet the needs of the farmer is capitalism. Think of all the selfish actors whose countless innovations (big and small) go into making sure peoples needs are met. The irony of capitalism is that by each individual focusing on themselves society is the beneficiary.

The farmers needs are more than met under capitalism than under any other economic system people have thought up (to date). That’s why innovation happens more in capitalist societies.

Communism, as a counterpoint, is pinned on selflessness. Think of your brothers and your sisters! Work hard and freely give away your labor, for everyone will give you their labor. Think about the good of the nation! The irony is that this system minimizes innovation and maximizes a cruel society.

Why should a capitalist society, whose individuals act for the good of themselves, have a stronger societial fabric than a communist society, whose individuals act for the good of society?

Who knows, but I certainly am not willing to throw out such a proven system just because it’s raw “selfish” focus at the micro level makes people a little queasy.

Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by naringas on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:50PM (#19022311)
I think that if we got rid of those incentives people would still innovate
Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by peteradio on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:55PM (#19022354)
If someone stole their invention and made money off it?? Why the hell would anyone want to invest time into that? Its not like the Chinese are pursuing some ideology of free knowledge, no they are trying to scoop for profit.
Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by baroffoos on Monday January 28, 2019 @07:12PM (#19022478)
Why do people work on open source or give up time for charity? Not everyone is focused purely on collecting more money when their needs are already covered.
Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by tluyben2 on Monday January 28, 2019 @07:26PM (#19022571)
> when their needs are already covered

So few steps to go here then; many (by far most) inventors do not have that little detail so they rely on their invention being monetized to give them that. People in open source or charity often just have enough money/time to do that on the side, but most people do not.

Needs basic income or working communism; both do not exist (yet or ever) so how would that work?

Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by wushupork on Monday January 28, 2019 @08:03PM (#19022765)
Very few people work on open source. You will find that most people trade their hours for money.
Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by baroffoos on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:28PM (#19023470)
I think most people are very willing to do things simply for the sake of improving the world as long as it doesn't mean giving up their quality of life. Many people offer help for free, pick up rubbish they didn't drop and work on improvements for things we all benefit on. The only problem we have currently is many people are busy with menial work to maintain their quality of life.

I think the solution is potentially a mix of automation providing cheap resources to everyone and government funding for useful research.

Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by colejohnson66 on Tuesday January 29, 2019 @12:20PM (#19028048)
With open source, your work is still protected by copyright
Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by peteradio on Monday January 28, 2019 @07:56PM (#19022726)
Because they want to.
Re:U.S. Accuses Huawei of Stealing Trade Secrets, Defrauding... by tivert on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:54PM (#19022346)
> I think that if we got rid of those incentives people would still innovate

Yes, but then they'd keep their innovations secret as trade secrets or they would only innovate when it was cheap and unrisky.