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Re:The subscription-pocalypse by chrisseaton on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:12AM (#19016557)
I think there's been a sea-change about what people think is a reasonable subscription cost.

I don't know how much my parents paid to get a physical newspaper delivered when I was growing up, but when I looked how much the Times costs to be delivered I was absolutely staggered that it would cost me nearly £500 a year.

I don't know if the price has changed, or my tolerance for subscription costs has changed, but as a millenial I can't even begin to justify spending that much money on a newspaper.

Re:The subscription-pocalypse by NeedMoreTea on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:29AM (#19016639)
That's because with only the Guardian that I can think of offhand as exception, media seems to think the "right" price to pay for a web site subscription is about the same as you might pay for a paper delivered 365 days. Newspapers seem to have increased cost far in excess of inflation.

Seem to remember (this could be very fallible) I was paying around 50p for a Guardian or Telegraph in the 90s and early 00s. Tabloids might have been 25p or 30p. £1 and up feels far too much for a paper, even now.

Obviously we've all adjusted how we read as well. Instead of taking everything from one site we might graze half a dozen sites for news, and a full subscription might feel too much for any of them. The few lite subscriptions I've looked at didn't feel that light.

Re:The subscription-pocalypse by Reason077 on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:53AM (#19016762)
In the old print days, subscriptions (or the cover price) only covered a small part of a publication’s costs. Perhaps just enough to cover printing and distribution, if that.

The majority of print revenue always came from advertising - a revenue stream that is apparantly drying up in the online era.

Re:The subscription-pocalypse by NeedMoreTea on Monday January 28, 2019 @08:09AM (#19017131)
Yup, and it was much more benign. No tracking. Whole supplements you could skip if you weren't looking for a new car or holiday. Take more interest when you're thinking of decorating or kitchen replacement.
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by mledu on Monday January 28, 2019 @10:06AM (#19017934)
Actually for many newspapers in the US the classifieds were a major revenue contributor.
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by schrodinger on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:51AM (#19016744)
FYI 50p in 1990 is 94p today adjusted for inflation
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by NeedMoreTea on Monday January 28, 2019 @08:07AM (#19017122)
Yet the actual papers are about £2 now.
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by pas on Monday January 28, 2019 @09:11AM (#19017509)
The NYT (1EUR / week), WaPo (1.5-2.25 USD / week), Guardian (6-7 USD / week) are constantly updated, multiple times every day, how many actual papers does that equal?
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by adrianN on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:18AM (#19016583)
Having a physical paper printed and delivered seems to be much more difficult than serving a website, as the latter has marginal cost close to 0. I think people are more understanding of paying a few bucks to get a pound of paper than paying a few bucks to open a website in their browser.
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by detritus on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:57AM (#19016784)
My first job was at a regional newspaper and I recall one of the directors responding to my enquiry about the difference in cost of our two main titles - it might have been offered hyperbolically, but he stated that they were entirely arbitrary - they could in fact offer them for free if they chose (they in fact had some free downmarket titles). It was the advertising that paid for the entire enterprise. The cover price was simply a bonus and mostly went to the retailer.
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by chrisseaton on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:24AM (#19016615)
The crazy thing is that the digital only subscription is still over £300.

Thankfully my employer pays for another newspaper subscription (but not one I'd personally chose to take, which is why I looked at the Times.)

Re:The subscription-pocalypse by supahfly_remix on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:29AM (#19016635)
Prices are determined by what they are worth to the customer, not by the cost of goods. That must mean that someone is willing to pay that much for it. (I'm not).
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by chrisseaton on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:32AM (#19016649)
> Prices are determined by what they are worth to the customer, not by the cost of goods.

I know that. I never said anything about costs, so I'm not sure why you're telling me this.

> That must mean that someone is willing to pay that much for it.

I'm sure that's literally true. But they may be making a mistake and setting the price wrong for what the market could support and to maximise their income.

Re:The subscription-pocalypse by pwg on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:47AM (#19016719)
> But they may be making a mistake and setting the price wrong for what the market could support and to maximise their income.

What we here do not know is whether they have already done that calculation and determined, based upon whatever basis they used for estimating, that their maximum income is, in fact, at their present price point.

Re:The subscription-pocalypse by Beltiras on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:24AM (#19016613)
The marginal cost is only zero within each size category you exist in. It scales as you grow readership in strange ways. An additional 1000 subscribers might mean you need to spin up an extra VM to handle small loads. That's fine, still have marginal costs close to zero. At 10.000 more subscribers you need to diversify your coverage. More content producers cost money. 100.000 more subscribers some critical infrastructure breaks unless you employ sysadmins to manage it. And so on and so forth.
Re:The subscription-pocalypse by Silhouette on Monday January 28, 2019 @06:51AM (#19016746)
Having a physical paper printed and delivered seems to be much more difficult than serving a website, as the latter has marginal cost close to 0.

Presumably much of the cost of serious journalism is in the journalism, not the mechanics. It would make sense for the online version to be somewhat cheaper than the paper one with physical delivery, but it wouldn't surprise me if the real difference in production costs was only a few pence plus whatever postage costs them.