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Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by thfuran on Sunday January 27, 2019 @11:04AM (#19012176)
>But the manuals adds weight and bulk, which contributes to CO2 when shipped.

I suspect that that is a rounding error next to the manufacture of the phone itself.

Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by magicalhippo on Sunday January 27, 2019 @11:32AM (#19012330)
For fun I ran some ballpark figures, a 30 gram manual, 1 billion smartphones, primary shipping by sea, and it's on the order of 5000-10000 metric tons of CO2 to ship the manuals.

Sure, the "CO2 budget" is measured in gigatons so not a huge dent. But add up a lot of these rounding errors and it might actually make a slight difference. And since the climate interactions are non-linear, slight differences can have a large effect over time.

Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by thfuran on Tuesday February 05, 2019 @02:42PM (#19088978)
And from the figures I'm seeing, it'd be about 15,000,000 metric tons of CO2 for the manufacture of the phones to go with those manuals.
Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by benj111 on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:17PM (#19013550)
At first I was impressed by 30 billion grams (with little finger to mouth)

But that's only 30,000 tonnes.

10,000 tonnes of co2 for 30,000 tonnes of cargo seems... Wrong.

This seems to back me up https://timeforchange.org/co2-emissions-shipping-goods

10 - 40g co2 per tonne. So about an order of magnitude less.

Edit: Doh see below. This is per km

Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by magicalhippo on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:18PM (#19013554)
I used the same page :)

The key is it's per ton per km transported.

For reference, Shanghai to Rotterdam route (a bit of a worst case I guess) is just shy of 20000 km[1].

[1]: https://sea-distances.org/

Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by benj111 on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:32PM (#19013621)
You're right (sorry) wow so worst case 800kg of co2 / tonne. And that's excluding the return journey which is typically empty. So could well be 1:1!

Airfreight is 500g /tonne/km so 10 tonnes of co2 / tonne of freight.

Guess that's why co2 calculators always ask about flying.

Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by magicalhippo on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:44PM (#19013685)
I missed the per km at first as well.

Air freight is not clean indeed. Which leads to a kind of ironic situation here in Norway. Salmon export is hailed as one of the primary income sources once the oil is gone, yet significant portion of the salmon is exported via air to Asian markets. Not exactly a very green change...

Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by cannonedhamster on Sunday January 27, 2019 @10:13PM (#19015132)
Coudn't that be mitigated with factory ships that produce the product en route and drop off at the end location? Ship to ship transfer is easily possible. I'm honestly asking as I don't know the true logistics behind this, but I thought factory ships already existed and did this.
Re:Samsung to Replace Plastic Packaging with Sustainable Mat... by magicalhippo on Sunday January 27, 2019 @03:25PM (#19013584)
I should note that the 1 billion phone figure was the 2017 figures, 1.5 billion, minus half a billion I estimated for sales in China. Then again, inland transport in China may not very green so... anyway back of the envelope, order of magnitude stuff.