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Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by baby on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:10AM (#19004872)
> most Americans would probably be happier with fewer H-1Bs

America's education system is pretty poor. It would be nothing without H1Bs. Take it from Michio Kaku[1]: "The United States has the worst education system known to science. Our graduates compete regularly at the level of third world countries. How come the scientific establishment of the US doesn't collapse. If we are producing a generation of dummy. If the stupid index of America keeps rising every year [...] how come the scientific establishment of the US doesn't collapse. Let me tell you something. America has a secret weapon. That secret weapon is the H1B. Without the H1B the scientific establishment of this country would collapse. Forget about Google, forget about Silicon Valley, there would not be a Silicon Valley without the H1B. [...] You realize that in the US 50% of all PhD candidates are foreign born. [...]"

the rest of the video is pretty good too. I recommend watching it.

> There should be a $150k-$200k minimum on bringing over specialized knowledge workers

This is stupid because you are privileging fields that can afford theses wages. Plenty of over fields which are not IT are in need of foreign experts and cannot afford to pay these salaries.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fphPeRvhjQ

Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by diogenescynic on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:16AM (#19004887)
If there’s a quota to specialized knowledge workers, give them to the highest paid thus the most needed. Shouldn’t be given out in some stupid lottery... I want them to bring in people making the highest wages so they contribute the most to the economy. Not these $70k H-1Bs with fake work locations.

Not going to bother defending our education system since so many foreigners are trying to get into our colleges, I’d say we’re fine. Also, the skills gap is a myth: http://spectrum.ieee.org/at-work/education/the-stem-crisis-i...

Still lots of other issues I pointed out.

Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by temp4358 on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:26AM (#19004923)
Except the top colleges like MIT, stanford, etc, most foreigners get into US colleges because it is an easier path to get a work visa in US, that's it. Also, the 70k h1-B are currently working in US, so they pay US taxes. If they are not allowed, most of the work will be outsourced (and a lot of that has already been), so it will be a further loss to US.

Also, India uses human resource as a balance in trade. They allow US companies to sell stuff in India in luie of them highering indians abroad (which send a part of the salary back home to their family) or in India. If US applies an America first policy in everything then India has no incentive to allow these companies into India. Software companies are not creating super critical things which can't be replicated, specially by indians who are already working for Google, Facebook, etc who will lose their jobs.

EDIT : Currently there are no tariffs on Tech companies. What are people even arguing ?

Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by diogenescynic on Saturday January 26, 2019 @01:01AM (#19005037)
I see a lot of unrealistic threats. India not wanting to trade with America? Ya, who is that going to hurt more...
Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by briandear on Saturday January 26, 2019 @01:01AM (#19005035)
> They allow US companies to sell stuff in India

Barely. Have you seen Indian tariffs?

Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by baby on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:20AM (#19004900)
Then you're losing on diversity.
Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by diogenescynic on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:26AM (#19004924)
No. We have an entire other immigration category for that...
Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by andrewpk on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:59AM (#19005028)
I disagree with the education claims. This article is mostly talking about engineers in the computer science/engineering field.

Tangent: I feel like those on work visas in the comments here are already outside of the norm that I receive resumes for and I honestly feel for their situation, hope they can stay so long as they choose to, and are paid fairly. Everyone deserves to be treated as equal humans and I feel like this is forgotten all too often.

The United States education system, while it does fail regularly, has taught most educated persons to question and be creative, yet also deliver quality. This is super desirable in this field.

I’ve reviewed a few hundred resumes, and at least a hundred on-site interviews, and I’m still trying to hold out hope for the h1b system yet am continually disappointed at the quality of candidates I’m being fed by the “approved” contract houses at the absurdly ridiculous company I work for. Faked resumes are the norm, as well as listing the fact that a dev has “Implemented UI Table View” as an Android candidate or the equivalent opposite for iOS candidates. (50% of the team I’ve hired are on work visas currently. The one contract house in question occasionally has a dev.)

The contract houses almost wholly refuse to source local talent. At first I thought it was a fluke. From one contract house - I’ve only ever been given two local devs and every other dev has been h1b. I get complaints that our hiring process is too strict because the dev can’t build a rest client app in an hour and a half, or write a method that parses a string and returns a double and an int.

Meanwhile, there are local devs I went to school with, and know of their skill level, who are looking for work.

I don’t think the education system has failed in this case - I think contractor culture of corps and contract house greed has failed us all. Also, the requirements of bachelor’s or master’s degrees has exacerbated the problem with the ridiculous cost of those degrees depending on the US schools chosen. If companies want to profit off local talent, then open up dev shops in other countries. China is the only country that’s potentially prohibitive of this practice depending on your business.

Also, which fields are you mentioning that require foreign “specialist” work that can’t pay these wages? They could apparently pay those wages in 1989. This program was setup to supply the US with skilled workers it urgently needed paying them an equivalent minimum of $121k in today’s money ($60k in 1989, which remains unchanged today).

Re:H-1B: Oracle favored hiring foreign graduates of US colle... by jorblumesea on Saturday January 26, 2019 @12:48AM (#19004989)
H1B isn't the O1 visa. It's just very generic and broad. It could be brilliant engineers but more often than not it's just shitty consulting (Cognizant, Infosys) spaghetti coders. Look who takes the lions share of H1Bs and you'll see who we're bringing in. These are not experts lol, they're just cheaper and more desperate.

Which is exactly why the largest block of H1B visas goes to the shittiest companies.