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Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by jacobolus on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:23PM (#19001461)
Car-centric planning is horrible for children, the elderly, disabled people, sick people, and the poor.

It makes them heavily dependent on able-bodied drivers (family members, taxis, hired helpers, ...) to move about.

Children are much more independently mobile in cities with good transit. In car-centric suburbs parents or other caretakers are responsible for personally carting their children from place to place, with huge negative impact on children’s quality of life. Children end up sheltered, over-scheduled, over-controlled, and dramatically delayed in learning to live for themselves.

It is for good reason that many college campuses and retirement homes are organized as little self-contained car-free villages.

In my opinion car-centric suburbs are optimized for healthy, wealthy 30–50 year-old full-time workers, and increasingly hostile as people get further from matching that.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by graeme on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:37PM (#19001624)
My grandma never had a car in a major pedestrianized city. She lived independently until the age of 92. She took buses and walked everywhere. My other grandmother mostly walked around town.

My parents have a car but mostly walk around town.

Would I be right in thinking that you come from a car centric area where people don't walk and this lose their ability to get around at a younger age? Perhaps you have difficulty conceiving of life in a pedestrian friendly city.

If so, I don't blame you, there are almost none in the us.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by inferiorhuman on Friday January 25, 2019 @06:46PM (#19003702)
When my father was diagnosed with a terminal illness one of the first things the doctor did was to submit revocation paperwork to the DMV. Unfortunately he lived in a very automobile-addicted area and being unable to drive proved very isolating for him.

The solution, of course, wasn't to figure out how to get him behind the wheel. The solution is weaning communities off of their car dependence.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by unionemployee on Friday January 25, 2019 @03:30PM (#19002194)
I often visit a pedestrian friendly small community in Queens. The number of very old people I see walking around is amazing. Tragically, the intersections are dangerous and people drive fast through the narrow streets. There's little traffic enforcement and, since Americans don't think about this stuff, nobody seems to care. Walkability is being developed away in the surrounding areas. It's so sad.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by danjayh on Friday January 25, 2019 @03:41PM (#19002298)
I have medical issues that are completely unrelated to lifestyle. Unfortunately, autoimmune issues often don't respond to anything but drugs with horrible side effects.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by graeme on Friday January 25, 2019 @04:31PM (#19002690)
That's very unfortunate and I'm sorry you have to deal with that.

But what of Rome, and Paris? Do people with your condition live in them? Those cities aren't built around cars, yet have millions of people from all walks of live.

If we make cities built around cars, and people don't walk, then people get more health problems and die younger. That has to be considered alongside cases like yours.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by themagician on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:28PM (#19001528)
Yeah, grow up. Be a wheel in the machine. Waste your life away sitting in traffic. Breathe in that toxic air. Risk life and lim every day so the trip to Walmart is a little shorter. This guy has arthritis and this guy is out of shape and has a kid, so let’s continue this insane dance to make it easier for them.
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by detaro on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:31PM (#19001564)
That doesn't match the people advocating for less cars around me at all. Children and elderly are massive users of good public transport networks, where they exist, because they can't or don't want to use cars if it can be avoided. (And places where cars are absolutely not an option are very rare, so less cars can often benefit people who absolutely need cars)
Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by threatofrain on Friday January 25, 2019 @02:38PM (#19001640)
Children who live closer to busy streets are more like to get asthma. They also radically change how parents feel about just any street of modest traffic, or biking in general. With children more dependent on parents to set play dates, children have more difficulty getting anywhere.

Also, think of the people who can't drive and for whom getting someone else to drive them is too expensive. That’s a lot of elderly.

Cars kill a lot of people every year. We need AI cars before something changes there, and when that comes, the conversation on exclusion will be very different.

Re:Oslo made its city center basically car-free by Markoff on Saturday January 26, 2019 @06:26AM (#19005861)
most of the people in my apartment building are retired people, none of them use car, i have two small children and consider cars in city nuisance, we have 200m walk to tram stop (subway maybe 800m) which can take us anywhere in city, why would i bother with car. it takes me 5 or 8 minutes by tram to reach two different shopping malls, 4 minutes by tram to pretty big supermarket or have 3 other supermarkets within 900m radius