Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In...
by untog on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:27AM
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WhatsApp Web already provides this, by connecting to the phone and proxying messages through it. Of course, that also requires implicit trust in WhatsApp Web, but it is possible. And using WhatsApp requires implicit trust in Facebook anyway, so...
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In...
by est31 on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:35AM
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It still requires you to run the WhatsApp phone app though. I doubt that facebook wants to require all of their users to have phones. You can reimplement WhatsApp's functionality in client side JS but then you get into deep technical problems rooted from the fact that js is, in general, ephemeral and not something permanent compared to an ios/android app. E.g. when someone logs onto facebook on a their friend's computer to check their messages you want everything to be smooth including message search but in order to provide message search, either the server needs access to the plaintext or the client needs to download the entire message history... If there's an app the client already has the entire history so that's no problem, but it is a problem with ephemeral Javascript. Another problem you run into is that Facebook can serve specifically manipulated Javascript just for you ^ TM because you are an interesting target or something. For Android/iOS this would require an app update and need to go through a third party and I haven't heard that google or apple give you the option to push a specific app to a specific device.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In...
by basch on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:28AM
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you could type the key into each client each time, no?
isnt that how things like dashlane work? it sends the encrypted historical blob to your device, your device decodes it.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In...
by throwawaylolx on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:34AM
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I don't think such unfriendly UX would ever be considered in such a mainstream service
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In...
by shawnz on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:20AM
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You already have to login with a username and password to access Facebook, unlike whatsapp where your phone is the sole key. Facebook could just construct the key at logon time based on the user's password.
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In...
by basch on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:57AM
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the OPTION to start an encrypted chat, with a chat specific password?
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In...
by instakill on Friday January 25, 2019 @11:07AM
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Or storing the key in localstorage?
Re:Facebook to integrate the infrastructure for WhatsApp, In...
by yholio on Friday January 25, 2019 @04:47PM
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To enable end-to-end encryption, you need more than local storage, you need local computation using local execution of signed and reproducible code. Javascript in browsers is fundamentally not such a platform, mobile applications are - to the degree you trust Google, Apple etc.
And I don't really see how they could get rid of the web features, it represents a massive number of FB Messenger users. This ties nicely with the older pressures from Zuckerberg to monetize WhatsApp and the resistance of the founders for security reasons, this most likely means access to the conversation plaintext.