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Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by Barrin92 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:44PM (#18983968)
>(and we don't live in a rural area, we live in a densely populated suburban area)

That doesn't necessarily mean much. Moving from urban areas to suburban ones already greatly reduces density and access to services and the sort of institutions we are talking about.

To give some sense of proportion, the average American suburb has[1] a density of about 2.7k people per square mile. That's about 2 1/2 times less dense than a Western European suburb (6.2k), and about eight times less dense than a Western European core urban area (18.8k).

American suburbia is extremely sparsely populated and fundamentally unfit to provide the cultural institutions that modern, small families and communities require. Calls for larger families is simply unrealistic, because the opportunities that each kid in a large family on a single income in a developed knowledge economy gets are abysmal. In our modern world, quality trumps quantity so to speak.

[1]http://www.demographia.com/db-intlsub.htm

Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by Spooky23 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @07:35PM (#18984836)
Suburbia is fine, and those definitions are skewed by certain regions of the country. A older northeast suburb is similar to Europe. White middle class people just don’t have kids anymore.

Of my cousins (about 12 people), only half are married at 35-40, and three couples have kids. That’s not uncommon.

At some point, acquisitions and trips became more important than family. Personally, I think that it is really sad.

Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by api on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @10:11PM (#18985653)
Where do you live?
Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by Spooky23 on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:02AM (#18986133)
New York. The family is mostly from metro ny and is scattered from DC to Boston.
Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by api on Friday January 25, 2019 @10:21AM (#18998675)
Interesting. I live in Southern California (LA suburbs) and there are more kids (of all races including white) than what you describe. There are probably regional differences in fertility rate. I know California is probably lower than many other parts of the country.

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Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by aylmao on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @06:14PM (#18984204)
+1. I'm from Mexico, where houses tend to be smaller and more tightly packed. There's essentially no yards or large patios, so not only do you live closer to other kids, but you're kinda forced to play in the shared street space, since you don't have that much open private space.
Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by lr4444lr on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @07:28PM (#18984793)
American suburbia is extremely sparsely populated and fundamentally unfit to provide the cultural institutions that modern, small families and communities require.

That's just your opinion. Thriving suburbs are practically sustained in toto by middle class (broadly speaking) people in nearby cities who want a greener, safer, larger space with better schools (at least by their perception) for their children on their given level of income.

Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by hueving on Thursday January 24, 2019 @12:24AM (#18986215)
This has nothing to do with children playing outside together. I grew up in a sparse suburban area in the early 80s and kids played together all of the time. Scheduled after school activities were only a few times a week and usually only for older kids.
Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by usaar333 on Thursday January 24, 2019 @01:31AM (#18986450)
> 2.7k people per square mile

Perhaps your source is per square kilometer? That seems really low for a suburb. E.g. Bay area cities (not particularly denser) are around 3k people per square kilometer.

Re:Alarming Decline of Quality Youth Playtime by romanovic on Thursday January 24, 2019 @06:15AM (#18987683)
For comparison, I live in a US suburb with a population density of around 1K people per square mile, and is a good example of a place where packs of children regularly play outdoors on any neighborhood street you care to walk down (maybe not as many who once would have, and children's screen time is a problem here like anywhere) despite the low population density. Some neighborhood characteristics: * 30 minute drive away from downtown. 40 min during rush hour. * Home prices here are much more affordable for single income families like us. Our monthly payment on a 6 bedroom house in the suburb costs the same as rent on the average 2 bedroom apartment in the city, and several $hundred less than the average 3 bedroom. * The farther away from the city center, the lower crime tends to be, and parents are more willing to send their children out for unsupervised play. More children are visible despite living in a much less densely populated neighborhood. * Local children's play groups are easy to find on social media, meetup.com, etc. * Major tech center 15 min drive away. * Supply of local jobs exceeds people available to fill them, resulting in below average unemployment, and greater than average incomes. * Bikable neighborhoods - many multi-use paths separate from car traffic, so we worry less about sending kids out on their bicycles to neighborhood parks or biking with young kids in a trailer. Often shared with horseback riders, which our kids are always excited about. Also makes for a more pleasant bicycle commute to work (at least, until I get closer to the city). * Trails and nature easily accessed - without getting in my car, I can and do run or bike from my doorstep up into mountain trails with a nice view of the valley.

And of course there are disadvantages: * Commute time. It takes me 28 minutes to get to work in the morning, so I lose almost an hour per day to travel, but this is relatively ok compared to other cities. * Fewer public transportation options - must transfer from the train to a bus to get to my remote corner of the metro area. These days it's easier to take Uber to the nearest train station when my car is not available. * Fewer night life options within walking distance of home * Fewer dining options within walking distance of home * Businesses have difficulty hiring, with so few people looking for work who are not already employed. * Not near a coast

All of this is to say, if growing a family in a neighborhood with other families with children is a priority, there are absolutely affordable cities around the US where you can make this happen. Even on a single income. Even in low population density areas. Even without giving up access to a nearby metro area and all of the culture and services it has to offer. If you are not willing to move to any of those places, maybe there is something more important to you, as has already been said.