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Re:Oracle allegedly underpaid $400M in wages to underreprese... by pc86 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @02:47PM (#18981979)
If salaries are completely transparent, including external to the company, salary negotiation will all but disappear. You'll apply for a senior developer job, see that all the senior developers there make $95k (or whatever), and you're either okay with or you're not.

The flipside, which is largely why I am not in favor of legally enforced salary transparency, is that you ask for the salary range, they say $90-100k (or whatever), and you can justify why you should get 100 or 105 or 110 with examples. Or you can ask for $90k because you're happy with that and know you won't price yourself out of the position, or any number of other possibilities.

It just makes the entire process much less flexible, which I know a lot of us developers love, but in the business world it doesn't make much sense.

Re:Oracle allegedly underpaid $400M in wages to underreprese... by sokoloff on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @04:51PM (#18983449)
Salary transparency doesn’t require salary equality. Sure, if all Senior SWEs are making $95K, you just don’t apply there. In the more likely case, seniors are making a spread of $80-160K or $90-225K or whatever and you can decide where your likely value may land in or just outside that range.
Re:Oracle allegedly underpaid $400M in wages to underreprese... by whatshisface on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:02PM (#18982166)
>You'll apply for a senior developer job, see that all the senior developers there make $95k (or whatever), and you're either okay with or you're not.

But then one senior developer would claim that they are better or different than every other senior developer, and negotiation would return. Sure, Tim might be willing to accept the average rate of $95, but Jim worked as a staff engineer at Google, and so on.

Re:Oracle allegedly underpaid $400M in wages to underreprese... by maxxxxx on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:14PM (#18982328)
That's not how it works out in real life. For example, in Congress all staffer salaries are open. There are still huge differences for the same position and people don't revolt over being paid less. They also don't jump ship when they find out.
Re:Oracle allegedly underpaid $400M in wages to underreprese... by setr on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:01PM (#18982160)
The problem is that the information asymmetry implies that you might be worth 95k in the market, but you're much less likely to know that than the company making the offer, and accept 80k not realizing you've lost out on 15k. It gets further against you if they do things like asking your previous pay.

In general, you would expect salary negotiation to be worse for any given employee, because they have limited tools to research with compared to the hiring company, and far more limited (man) hours to do that research.

I would also imagine negotiation still exists, but now more emphasized on the extra benefits, eg PDOs, medical plans, bonuses, etc.

And ofc the added negative that the company can hide unfair practices, eg underpaying particular groups, or hiring someone's kid for 2x the pay, or whatever.

The main negative is that someone who was skilled at salary negotiations now makes less, but presumably most people aren't skilled, making it more a net positive. The biggest concern tbh is if the whole industry was overpaying its workers due to the fog of war, and this suddenly cleared things up, and employees across the board take a hit

Re:Oracle allegedly underpaid $400M in wages to underreprese... by sigzero on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @08:10PM (#18985110)
> legally enforced

No, keep the Government out of this.