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Re:Capitalism and Inequality by golergka on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @12:38PM (#18980420)
> where people are given different opportunities

People will always have differnet opportunities, because parents always want to help their kids start at better position in life than their peers. It's a completely justified and human desire.

> Income inequality destroys the social fabric of a community.

No, forced and unnatural power relations, like forced equality destroys the fabric of a community. In Soviet Union, my engineer parents and their parents, who have spent years of hard intellectual labour in their craft, have had almost the same lives as workers engaged in the most basic hand labour, who have been coming to their workplace drunk for years and never even faced a danger of unemployment because of their horrible work ethic, because "social country" couldn't allow it. Communities this have created have been so much more toxic and awful than anything I've ever seen in any western country.

Re:Capitalism and Inequality by normal_man on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @12:44PM (#18980497)
>my engineer parents and their parents, who have spent years of hard intellectual labour in their craft, have had almost the same lives as workers engaged in the most basic hand labour, who have been coming to their workplace drunk for years and never even faced a danger of unemployment because of their horrible work ethic, because "social country" couldn't allow it.

Good? As long as your parents were comfortable and safe, why is it a problem that less "deserving" people also were? Comments like yours sound less like "hard work deserves success" and more like "as long as I am above someone else, I'm happy." It comes up a lot in discussions of minimum wages - a nurse was fine with $17/hour until a fast food worker also makes that, suddenly it's an outrage.

Re:Capitalism and Inequality by freejak on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @01:25PM (#18980982)
Next time you're involved in a group project and end up doing all the work while the rest of your team receives the same grade, get back to us on what you just wrote.
Re:Capitalism and Inequality by normal_man on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @01:50PM (#18981314)
We're not talking about grades, we're talking about the basics of a dignified life; food, medicine, security. I absolutely will take on more burden to help those who are less fortunate. Get back to us when you grow up and grades aren't your primary concern.
Re:Capitalism and Inequality by golergka on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @06:13PM (#18984197)
> I absolutely will take on more burden to help those who are less fortunate.

Looks like you want to make your own, free will decision about what to do with your money. That's what private charities are for — that way, we both get to decide for ourselves, exercise our choice and you get to feel morally superior (and get the deserved praise), and someone else gets to use their money in other way.

When, however, state takes this money from you without giving you any choice over it, using it's monopoly on violence to force you into doing that, that's no longer your moral decision. That's just inevitability.

Re:Capitalism and Inequality by normal_man on Thursday January 24, 2019 @09:04AM (#18988725)
Are you one of those "taxation is theft" freaks?
Re:Capitalism and Inequality by golergka on Thursday January 24, 2019 @04:48PM (#18993341)
Are you trying to bring this conversation down to labels and slurs?
Re:Capitalism and Inequality by freejak on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @02:58PM (#18982118)
Applies to team projects in the professional world as well. Add to that the slackers that kiss up and get that sweet promotion you wanted based on your blood and sweat. World isn’t so simple like you’ve made it out to be son.
Re:Capitalism and Inequality by normal_man on Thursday January 24, 2019 @09:04AM (#18988727)
The world also doesn't have to be the barbarous rat race you seem to be resigned to, son.
Re:Capitalism and Inequality by golergka on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @06:11PM (#18984172)
Yes, I am competitive and so are my motivations. Are you trying to paint it as something bad?
Re:Capitalism and Inequality by socrates1998 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @01:36PM (#18981120)
Income inequality is forced power relations.

And we don't want an end to capitalism, we want a cap on it and limits.

The problem is how much power the elites have vs. a person with median income.

If a billionaire sues me, he will win. There is almost zero I can do about it. It almost doesn't matter what happened. I am powerless to stand up to them. Same with billionaire corporations. I have NO power to stand up to them.

The greater the income inequality, the greater the difference in power dynamics in a market/currency based economy.

There is very little justice for poor people and anyone trying to fight a billionaire.