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Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:26PM (#18973870)
I'm invested in the Google ecosystem, and have recently got myself a Pixel Slate that I carry everywhere as my primary computing/ media device (no more separate laptop and tablet). It would now be silly of me to use Firefox in place of Chrome. Moreover I have got nothing to hide, so all these privacy-fears don't concern me; in fact I often feel like they are being overblown.
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by braythwayt on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:56PM (#18974167)

  > I've got nothing to hide.
I'm sure you believe that's true, but I suggest that your belief is based on a certain confidence that the people pouring through your data are fundamentally acting in good, or at worse neutral faith.

However, if this data ever gets into the hands of someone acting in bad faith, even the most innocent behaviour can be weaponized against you. Let's say, for example, that you are wrongly suspected of committing a crime, and the investigating police are more interested in cooking up a conviction than determining if you actually did it.

All sorts of details about your life can be leaked and "spun" to make you look very, very bad. You went to a bar on a certain evening? So did these known crime figures. Were you meeting them?

You spend time on Hacker News. HACKER NEWS. You could find yourself the target of a smear campaign designed to turn public sentiment against you.

"If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him."—Cardinal Richelieu

If you hand over your data without hesitation to a nation-state or to powerful and unscrupulous corporations, I believe you will discover that there is no such thing as "nothing to hide."

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:02PM (#18974229)
That's not an unreasonable point, but with that alarmist logic why are you then not living off the grid?
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by leesalminen on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:25PM (#18974408)
This seems like a fallacious argument in that you’re attempting to conflate “alarmist” with “extremist”.

Someone could be alarmed about the state of privacy in society and not want to take an extreme action.

It seems entirely reasonable to want to remain a part of civilization and advocate for change on a topic you are passionate about.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by baroffoos on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @10:39PM (#18975475)
Because the only 2 possible options is to hand over all your data or live off the grid
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by Hippocrates on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:39PM (#18974002)
People who feel that they have “nothing to hide” don’t quite understand the extent to which they’re being mined for personal data. Google offers all of this amazingly polished software for free so naive people like you will feed them your browsing history, email, location and search queries. They will then monetize that data by targeting ads to you, which generates over 80% of their revenue.

If you are ok with that and still think you have nothing to hide, ask yourself if you’d be ok with this trove of data ever being exposed publicly.

Ever googled something embarrassing? Perhaps a medical condition or symptom? Sent a very personal email? Visited a less than savory location, or lied to an employer about your whereabouts?

I’d be willing to bet most people have some data that could be weaponized for blackmail.

Surely many people (especially the ignorant) will find Google’s products and services “worth using” but privacy concerns are anything but overblown.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by zcid on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:27PM (#18974418)
I did a factory reset on my Android phone today and was depressed when I realized the vast number of settings I have to change in order to get even a small semblance of privacy. App permissions, location history, disabling of default apps; the list goes on.
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:52PM (#18974125)
> ask yourself if you’d be ok with [your browsing history, email, location and search queries] ever being exposed publicly.

I already did, and the answer was "Yes, I'd be okay" (although the likelihood of that happening is extremely rare).

> Ever googled something embarrassing?

Use incognito mode.

> Perhaps a medical condition or symptom?

I have only one medical condition, which I'm not embarassed to talk about publicly (I already do it).

> Sent a very personal email?

I rarely send "very personal"/ intimate information over email in lieu of just talking over phone.

> Visited a less than savory location,

Never in my life.

> or lied to an employer about your whereabouts?

I never had to do it (why would I?).

> I’d be willing to bet most people have some data that could be weaponized for blackmail.

If--note "if"--I were to engage in an activity that could potentially be used to blackmail or harm me in any way, I would of course be doing it in as private manner as possible. However it would be silly to spend the rest of my normal life cowering and being phobic to technological advances.

> Surely many people (especially the ignorant) will find Google’s products and services “worth using” but privacy concerns are anything but overblown.

You confuse being naive (in its original sense of the word) with being ignorant. But I guess that's what fear does to one.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by starshadowx2 on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:30PM (#18974453)
>Use incognito mode.

All this means is that it's not stored on your computer/history. This doesn't mean Google doesn't still have everything from those periods.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:43PM (#18974542)
Google does not track your incognito history and cookies unless you actually sign-in to your Google account in the incognito window of course.
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by dogecoinbase on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @10:47PM (#18975517)
Of course they do.
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by Hippocrates on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @10:51AM (#18979213)
Yes, they are likely tracking users in incognito mode. You're still loading google analytics or doubleclick resources on many, many sites. Merely making that request (or any request to a google property) gives them your IP which is static enough to identify a household or corporate complex based on previously gathered data. From there these javascript libs phone home every bit of data they can from your browser, including UA string/browser minor version, plugins, resolution (fingerprinting). This can further narrow things down to an individual device you have used before, especially if you're just popping in and out of incognito.

Google also operates some of the most popular DNS services 8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4 which can capture domains you query from your IP.

There are various measures you can go through to stop this to some degree, like DNS blocking, client-side ad/tracker blocking, VPNs etc. but to go all-out is very cumbersome and I'm not convinced that it would even be 100% effective. Google's business DEPENDS on collecting your data and tracking you, and they are very, very good at it. I highly recommend reading "The Age Of Surveillance Capitalism".

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @10:51PM (#18975533)
Do you have evidence? Or is it all just fear mongering?
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by Kodix on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @01:55AM (#18976258)
Here is a recent article suggesting that that's at least somewhat true:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/4/18124718/google-search-re...

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @03:17AM (#18976581)
Somewhat true, but not actually true.

This is a flawed study by a Google's competitor (the for-profit organization called DuckDuckGo). FTA:

> Following the study’s publication this morning, Google told The Verge in a statement that it found the methodology flawed and the findings misleading. “This study’s methodology and conclusions are flawed since they are based on the assumption that any difference in search results are based on personalization. That is simply not true,” a Google spokesperson said. “In fact, there are a number of factors that can lead to slight differences, including time and location, which this study doesn’t appear to have controlled for effectively.”

and:

https://twitter.com/searchliaison/status/1070027261376491520

Facts won't change being facts no matter how many times you downvote them. :-P

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by rkangel on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @06:03AM (#18977265)
It is a shame that you are being downvoted. I (like a lot of people here) disagree with you, but you have a point of view shared by a lot of people. It's an important point of view to consider and engage with because my impression is that it's the majority view from the population - based on their actions, they don't care about their data privacy if it gets them gmail for free.

For a lot of people they possibly hold that view due to a lack of understanding about the situation, but some people like you understand the situation and still are OK with it. That's an entirely reasonable point of view which should be eagerly debated with.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by altfredd on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @05:10PM (#18983632)
> It is a shame that you are being downvoted. I (like a lot of people here) disagree with you, but you have a point of view shared by a lot of people.

People are notoriously bad at acting in their own best interest. I recall reading a forum, where a guy asked for medical advice, because he was diagnosed with fibrosis (his lungs basically got scarred all over). His work required him to continuously inhale toxic exhaust, and he wanted a way to avoid further health complications (but keep a work!) because "the pay was good".

Fibrosis causes you to cough non-stop and significantly increases probability of dying from lung infection. Compared to that, using Google's products does not result in any visible long-term effects on health. Therefore, it is natural to conclude, that using Google's sites and services is safe, healthy and should be widely encouraged. It does not matter, that Google uses anti-competitive practices to monopolize market, restrict user freedom and lead us to future, when we won't be able to refuse shoehorned "services", shoved in our face, right?

Please stop with those creepy "understanding" antics. Encouraging self-harm is bad, and wishing to view advertisements is definitely a form of self-harm.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Thursday January 24, 2019 @08:55AM (#18988648)
This is such a patronizing point of view.

You are essentially deciding for me that what I choose to do with my technological choices is "a form of self-harm" (when in fact I only experience total pleasure).

Is it really that hard to comprehend that, when one does not share the alarmist feelings of the crowd, they will make intelligent choices based on personal preferences?

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by dictum on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:31PM (#18973932)
> Moreover I have got nothing to hide

Don't mean to insult you, and some people just have an easier time opening up about everything, but a life with nothing whatsoever to hide sounds limited, uninventive and uninteresting.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:41PM (#18974021)
No insult taken.

> a life with nothing whatsoever to hide sounds limited, uninventive and uninteresting.

Ever familiar with the phrase "un unexamined life is not worth living"? Here, of course, the thing to be examined is your belief that a life with nothing whatsover to hide is limited, uninventive and uninteresting.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by pault on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:30PM (#18973914)
The right to free speech is important even if you don't have anything to say. Privacy is no different.
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by arkh on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:41PM (#18974015)
> I have got nothing to hide

So if you don't mind would you share some nudes, your CC numbers and your medical history with us?

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by fucking_tragedy on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @09:38PM (#18975183)
What about his address, and his family and friends' addresses, as well? What about his income, where he works, the time he leaves for work and the time that he gets back? And the street he grew up on and his mother's maiden name?
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by SimeVidas on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:33PM (#18973942)
> It would now be silly of me to use Firefox in place of Chrome.

Why? In what ways is Chrome more useful than Firefox on Chrome OS?

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by sridca on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:38PM (#18973991)
Chrome is deeply integrated in ChromeOS devices (should be obvious from the naming), of which the Pixel Slate is what I own. A bunch of PWAs (arguably the future of android apps) also require Chrome.

Moreover I use Chrome to sync my Google account, including passwords (which I can't live without) and browsing history.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by CamperBob2 on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @06:44PM (#18974048)
Moreover I have got nothing to hide

That's not your call to make.

Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by dzader on Tuesday January 22, 2019 @07:11PM (#18974308)
what?
Re:Google proposes changes to Chromium which would disable u... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday January 23, 2019 @04:13PM (#18983024)
People who own more guns than you do are the ones who decide whether or not you have "something to hide."