Interesting, thanks. The executives to push back on hardware product issues these days would probably be Riccio or Schiller, right? (excluding Cook) Certainly seems possible that they don't have as much pull in that conversation as they might want.

I think most of us just don't have enough insight into how Apple develops products to really nail this down (maybe you do; I certainly don't).

Does Jony Ive say "it must be this thin" (holds fingers apart) and then engineering has to go off and remove MagSafe and create a totally new keyboard? Or is engineering already working on new keyboard ideas, and they bring one to the table and say "hey what can we do with this?"

In any case, it's about how the team is operating. Jobs obviously had an impact on that, but where I disagreed with the GP was this idea that thousands of people at Apple just wake up every day and say "dwuhhhhh, what did Steve Jobs do" and then just dumbly do that. Let's give the folks there some credit--which also means holding them accountable for their own decisions.