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Re:A Short Rebuttal to Searle (1984) [pdf] by IWeldMelons on Sunday January 20, 2019 @06:18PM (#18956253)
> Both perform symbol processing

Not sure about that.

> So what gives the symbols of the semantic model meaning? The correspondence of each symbol to real, observable objects.

And what decides what symbol corresponds to what real object?

> You're assuming that consciousness requires some special property of matter. There's no justification for this assumption.

Really? I thought that is something we have agreed upon. You are claiming that any system structured as a digital computer (hence, has a special property) is conscious, I am saying that it is not enough, it has to be structured some special way.

> We created fire long before we understood it, for instance.

This is a laughable argument. "We reproduce (as living beings do). therefore we create minds".

Re:A Short Rebuttal to Searle (1984) [pdf] by naasking on Monday January 21, 2019 @02:16PM (#18962740)
> You are claiming that any system structured as a digital computer (hence, has a special property) is conscious

Nowhere did I make that claim. You're clearly confused about the arguments being made so I suggest your reread this thread.

> And what decides what symbol corresponds to what real object?

An inductive inference algorithm, like I said.

> This is a laughable argument. "We reproduce (as living beings do). therefore we create minds".

Exactly right. Therefore your claim that we must understand something before we can make it is trivially incorrect.