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Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by richardwhiuk on Sunday January 20, 2019 @09:38AM (#18953222)
The cost to an ISP of delivering a single bit is also trivial - the capability to deliver a bit very quickly is the cost - which is what their customers are paying for.

Net neutrality is about being able to charge both ways.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by chiefalchemist on Sunday January 20, 2019 @01:37PM (#18954668)
Single bits might be trival, but the volume is far from single.

Regardless, Netflix doesn't bear the cost of delivery. Imagine if USPS couldn't charge Amazon for delivery.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by jogjayr on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:44PM (#18957699)
> Imagine if USPS couldn't charge Amazon for delivery.

Imagine if USPS charged both Amazon and its customers for delivering the same package.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by chiefalchemist on Sunday January 20, 2019 @11:53PM (#18957731)
I think, in a way, USPS does.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by jogjayr on Monday January 21, 2019 @12:04AM (#18957779)
Which way, specifically? Do you have details? Have you ever sent someone a package and then they had to pay to get the package as well?
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by chiefalchemist on Monday January 21, 2019 @11:29AM (#18961404)
It's a quasi-gov "agency" which means taxpayers are paying, however indirectly; those same taxpayers are also paying to use the service.
Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by jogjayr on Monday January 21, 2019 @11:45AM (#18961518)
It's part of the US government but does not receive taxpayer funding.

"Zero tax dollars used. The Postal Service receives NO tax dollars for operating expenses and relies on the sale of postage, products and services to fund its operations."[1]

"The USPS in its current form runs like a business, relies on postage for revenue and, for the most part, has not used taxpayer money since 1982, when postage stamps became “products” instead of forms of taxation. Taxpayer money is only used in some cases to pay for mailing voter materials to disabled and overseas Americans"[2]

1. https://facts.usps.com/top-facts/

2. http://www.pbs.org/wnet/need-to-know/five-things/the-u-s-pos...

Replace "USPS" with UPS or FedEx and it comes out to the same thing - either sender pays, or receiver pays, but never both.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by chiefalchemist on Monday January 21, 2019 @07:36PM (#18964985)
So USPS finances their own pensions?

There's also the phrase "for the most part."

Finally, USPS is a gov sanctioned monopoly. So there's the cost of that.

I understand what USPS is or is said to (hooefully) be. But all things considered, the taxpayer is paying in some way.

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by jogjayr on Monday January 21, 2019 @08:25PM (#18965215)
I'm no expert on any of this stuff. From what I can tell from searching online, the USPS is required to fund their own pensions[1]

> "for the most part."

This was explained. The government pays to mail voting materials to some people. How is that different from any branch of government buying some stamps to mail some letters and packages?

Their "monopoly" gives them the exclusive right to put things in mailboxes. In return, they are legally required to serve every single part of the country equally, at the same price. They also can't set their own prices.

I have no earthly idea how much this "monopoly" costs taxpayers and it hasn't stopped UPS, Fedex et al from providing plenty of competition. I think taxpayers, especially in remote and rural communities, are coming out ahead in this bargain but again, I'm not an expert.

In any case, none of this has anything to do with net neutrality which is where this discussion began. Pretend USPS doesn't exist - does UPS or Fedex charge the sender and receiver for shipping the same package?

1. https://www.uspsoig.gov/blog/be-careful-what-you-assume

Re:Netflix claims Fortnite is now a bigger competitor than HBO by parasubvert on Monday January 21, 2019 @10:11PM (#18965715)
How do they not pay for the cost of delievery? They pay for internet connectivity like everyone else. And they even have caching servers installed at most ISPs to optimize their bandwidth.

This is about the telcos wanting to double dip.