Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2012 legal action

Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by kodablah on Friday January 18, 2019 @07:38AM (#18938862)

Just be mindful that HN (or any outlet these days) will never teach you the positive value of FB for the common person. FB is indeed evil in this case, but be careful not to blindly make over-generalizations with unnecessary correlations. FB, like most, can be good and evil. You don't have to accept the deluge of low quality, substanceless FB op eds the same way you do articles with more objective content. We have the ability to have more nuanced opinions about companies than all good or all evil.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by peteretep on Friday January 18, 2019 @07:45AM (#18938906)

My point is more that I've found HN's negativity to be more realistic than my natural optimism, over and over again.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by kodablah on Friday January 18, 2019 @08:10AM (#18939027)

Sure, just saying don't let the local sentiment change you. I personally have found the opposite once outside the echo chamber, granted like HN, I am naturally pessimistic/skeptical. I've found common-person use of tech and common tech business to be nowhere near as negative.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by tremon on Friday January 18, 2019 @09:50AM (#18939632)

I've also found the common-person use and valuation of tech to be nowhere near as informed as HN's.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by kodablah on Friday January 18, 2019 @10:05AM (#18939740)

A bliss users enjoy, as we might in areas we're less knowledgeable in. They see a forest, we see trees; doesn't discount their happiness.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Friday January 18, 2019 @11:15AM (#18940286)

How is that relevant? Yes, uninformed people aren't worried by the problems they don't know about. That doesn't make the problems any less problematic.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by kodablah on Friday January 18, 2019 @11:19AM (#18940324)

More like uninformed people don't consider them problems, or at least not problems outweighing the benefits. There are several things that make "problems" more or less problematic, one of which being hyper-focus on negatives, which is why it's relevant.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Friday January 18, 2019 @11:48PM (#18945386)

> More like uninformed people don't consider them problems, or at least not problems outweighing the benefits.

Which still doesn't change anything about them being (serious) problems. It just means that people who don't have a clue don't have a clue.

> There are several things that make "problems" more or less problematic, one of which being hyper-focus on negatives, which is why it's relevant.

No, whether anyone is paying attention to a problem has zero influence on how big a problem it is.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by blub on Friday January 18, 2019 @08:10AM (#18939026)

Facebook has about a decade of privacy fuck-ups, manipulation and dark patterns behind it.

Sure, they're not 100% evil, heck Hitler was a pretty swell guy with his close friends too, but at this point they should be guilty until proven innocent, not the other way around.

The deluge of anti-fb comments is the public finally having enough of their crap, so you should get used to it.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by kodablah on Friday January 18, 2019 @08:15AM (#18939060)

> The deluge of anti-fb comments is the public finally having enough of their crap

This is the trap I'm talking about. Instead of "public" what you mean are "commenters" and "writers". Assuming that is an accurate representation of the public is folly. As has become clear so many times recently, and is especially visible in election results, the loud public and the general public are often not of the same mind.

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Re:Judge unseals trove of internal Facebook documents from 2... by blub on Friday January 18, 2019 @06:03PM (#18943973)

The silent public is irrelevant, because they won't vote on whether facebook gets crushing fines, broken up, etc.

They'll just use whatever is easiest and tickles their fancy.

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