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Re:Brexit: France activates no-deal plan by cletus on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:42AM (#18931582)
I'm most disappointed in Labour and the Liberal Democrats here. The Conservatives are kind of locked in as the Euroskeptic party at this point so they're going to stick with the party line that referendum is binding and they'll crash out of the EU over not leaving.

But where is the opposition saying that the referendum was nothing more than a protest vote against immigration, 52-48% is a narrow split, we can't possibly have our cake and eat it too (eg on freedom of movement) and that pursuing some Norway like model combines the worst of both worlds (eg maintaining membership of the EU customs union and being subject to its rules without having the power to vote on and control the EU agenda as a member would).

The backstop is nothing more than kicking the can down the street and the ultimate result is probably reunification with Ireland, which is why the DUP in particular and the Conservatives in general don't want it.

The only alternatives are hard exit and remaining.

Why hasn't the opposition been more vocal about this? All I see is hand-wringing and non-committal rhetoric from Corbyn.

Re:Brexit: France activates no-deal plan by lmm on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:48AM (#18931627)
Corbyn doesn't want to remain in the EU, and even if he did, his whole narrative is that he wants a democracy that's more representative of ordinary people over Westminster elites. If he tried to offer a policy of technocrats overruling the will of the people he would lose all credibility.

The Liberal Democrats are pro-remain I think? But they're an irrelevance at least parliamentarily.

Re:Brexit: France activates no-deal plan by nicoburns on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:52AM (#18931661)
> But where is the opposition saying that the referendum was nothing more than a protest vote against immigration, 52-48% is a narrow split, we can't possibly have our cake and eat it too. Why hasn't the opposition been more vocal about this?

I think it might be something like an idea that if your reaction to a protest vote by people who feel like they aren't being listened to, is to turn around and say "we're not going to take your vote at face value, and we're going to do something else anyway", then they (quite justifiably imo) might not take it very well.

It's tricky, because I agree with you that a good proportion of the leave vote doesn't care specifically about leaving the EU, but associates it with other issues (although I think a fair chunk of the leavers actually did vote leave knowing what they were getting). And I also think that Corbyn vould have done more than he has.

I don't really know what I'd like to see.

Re:Brexit: France activates no-deal plan by coyoteyogurt on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:01AM (#18931775)
So much of our bad politics since WW2 comes from this feeling of being "locked in" to a certain position, too afraid to admit it was a mistake or at least problematic. Can't give anything up, ever, that makes you weak according to statistical game theory and everyone is playing the same dumb game.

1984 but with lots of stats.

Re:Brexit: France activates no-deal plan by camerondoll on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:56PM (#18932881)
It is funny how people question democracy when they get results they are uncomfortable with :-)