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Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by superkuh on Thursday January 17, 2019 @02:05AM (#18928942)
The unstated premise is that there is a rise in hoarding and that hoarding is a disorder. As this very article states at the beginning it was only within the last 5 years that it has been recognized as a psychological disorder. It's just as likely to be removed again depending on the profits, or not, of those seeking to exploit the idea of hoarding being a disorder.
Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by weinzierl on Thursday January 17, 2019 @03:20AM (#18929224)
I also doubt that it's on the rise. I always thought it to be a Baby Boomers thing because they are the last generation that suffered from material shortage in their childhood.

Similarly I believe information hoarding is a Gen X thing because we grew up in information shortage. Do Millennials download stuff? Maybe out of fun or for convenience but probably not because of the irrational Gen Xer fear that all the nice access to information we have could go away one day.

All of this is just my arm chair psychology of course.

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by yzb on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:10AM (#18929406)
Funny you'd say that. I keep a folder with gigabytes of youtube videos I downloaded in the event that they are removed from youtube. And, to tell you the truth, a chunk of them have actually been removed from youtube over the years!
Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by gerbilly on Thursday January 17, 2019 @09:26AM (#18930945)
This is why I have to laugh at people who deride older non digital technologies: film cameras (negatives last hundreds of years if stored properly), photographic prints (archive quality non acid paper last ~100s of years also.

I have 40 year old VHS tapes that are still good, vinyl records last a long time too.

Think of all these pictures we snap with our phones.

Most of them will probably be lost from disk drive failures, accidental erasure, hardware failures making them too expensive to recover, software obsolescence (pictures are on the device but they don't make the software to connect to the device any more)...

Meanwhile I have a box of family pictures, some of them from the 19th century (a few tin types), but most of them from the 20th century, that are still good most with negatives intact. I could print a brand new print of any of them anytime I want.

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by SketchySeaBeast on Thursday January 17, 2019 @01:35PM (#18933219)
> Most of them will probably be lost from disk drive failures, accidental erasure, hardware failures making them too expensive to recover, software obsolescence (pictures are on the device but they don't make the software to connect to the device any more)...

> Meanwhile I have a box of family pictures, some of them from the 19th century (a few tin types), but most of them from the 20th century, that are still good most with negatives intact. I could print a brand new print of any of them anytime I want.

This is really where cloud storage solves those problems. The photos I care about are shared with friends and family and are safe from hardware failure or house fire. The only scenario they aren't great at is the inter-generational one, but if dad gives kids access it's no worse than a shoebox under the bed. They'll just have to pull stuff down into their own digital lockers before MasterCard and Google realize I'm dead.

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by weinzierl on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:43AM (#18929541)
For science: Baby Boomer, Gen X or Millennial? youtube-dl must be a common friend of ours.

But seriously: Stuff disappears, not doubt, although if I remember something I can usually still find it online. I virtually never search something in the stuff I downloaded for years, because it is just easier to dig it up online - and that is not because my archive wouldn't be accessible. If it is important for me to remember it is probably important for others to keep it online.

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by yzb on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:28AM (#18929713)
Millenial, and yes, I used youtube-dl. My "Favourites" playlist on youtube is full of videos that have been deleted or that were posted by accounts that were deleted or banned. But they are still safely stored on my hard disk ;)

With time I've learnt that not even archive.org is reliable for some things so I save whatever I can. Sometimes I even take screenshots of things that I may need someday.

I've never stopped to think of that as "hoarding", but probably it is. Thank God those files don't take physical space at home, though!

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by weinzierl on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:37AM (#18930017)
> Thank God those files don't take physical space at home, though!

Do you mean you are happy that the files don't take up physical space at home like books do or do you mean they don't take up space because you store them in the cloud. The last thing would really make a difference because I think it's something old people like me don't typically do.

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by yzb on Thursday January 17, 2019 @06:47AM (#18930048)
No no, I have everything on my hard disk. I don't save anything to the cloud, I don't trust it. Someone may hack my accounts or the cloud itself and see my files, or they could ban me for storing things they don't approve of (the bane of companies nowadays: copyright, non-mainstream political views, etc.)
Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by jointpdf on Thursday January 17, 2019 @01:00PM (#18932912)
I don't think you read the whole article--both premises were clearly stated and extensively supported. Hoarding has long been considered a disorder, it was just rolled into OCD. However, enough of the patterns are differentiated from OCD that it can rightly be classified as a distinct disorder:

"at least 80 percent of people who engaged in extreme hoarding didn’t meet the criteria for OCD. They were more prone to depression than those with OCD. They had more difficulty making decisions. They were far less likely to be aware of their behavior as a problem. Genetic linkage studies showed a different pattern of heritability than OCD, and brain scans showed a different pattern of activation. Drugs that were successful in treating OCD were not effective for hoarding."

As for the on-the-rise component, there are multiple explanations offered, but this part struck me:

"In other words, something has changed—in history and culture—to cause hoarding to emerge as a prevalent psychiatric disorder. Objects have taken on, for those who hoard them, individual personalities with outsized emotional significance. They cannot be casually discarded; they are woven into the person’s very sense of self..."

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by btmorex on Thursday January 17, 2019 @02:13AM (#18928971)
No idea if it's on the rise or not because it could just be reporting, but hoarding is a mental disorder no doubt. Watch an episode or two of Hoarders. People are literally breaking down for having to throw away a dirty piece of trash.
Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by usrusr on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:24AM (#18929697)
I can't think of a single healthy behavior that is not occasionally taken to an unhealthy extreme by people with a disorder.

The term hoarding is problematic because it is lacking a clear line even more than other potentially pathological behaviors, there is absolutely no consensus where having some stuff that you don't exactly use daily ends and pathological hoarding begins. Even alcohol consumption seems clear-cut by comparison. Combined with the smugness of how self-congratulatory "minimalists" will look down on everybody who has slightly different standards than them, and the unfortunate coincidence that disorder (as in chaotic) shares a linguistic token with disorder (as in mental health) it makes it incredibly hard to have a meaningful discussion about the topic.

(I write "minimalist" in quotes because far too many self-identifying minimalists are not minimal at all, they are just eagerly disposing to drive their consumerism to eleven, new and shiny every time)

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by Retric on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:56AM (#18930755)
The disorder line is always fairly clear cut for all mental issues. The question is if it interferes with daily life not of if it’s odd.
Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by justtopost on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:13PM (#18932501)
Problem is, if I want to be a different sex, that will very much interfere with my daily life. The definition does not hold for what we currently accept.
Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by Retric on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:25PM (#18932621)
Interference means more than just change in this context.

Being significantly afraid of flying may be irrational and unpleasant, but the line is at the point where you’re incapable of dealing with that fear.

Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by superkuh on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:37PM (#18934873)
I don't get my psychiatric news from entertainment television. Of course they make these shows as exciting and disturbing as possible to sell ads. Trying to take away anything real from them is a big mistake.
Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by Jill_the_Pill on Thursday January 17, 2019 @09:32AM (#18930987)
We might also consider that getting rid of stuff takes more physical and mental energy (and time) than some people have available to them. My late aunt's house may have looked like that of a hoarder, but really, she just couldn't manage to go through stuff and carry it out.
Re:What’s Causing the Rise of Hoarding Disorder? by Broken_Hippo on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:10AM (#18929408)
I have not doubt that it is a disorder. It isn't like it suddenly happened in the last 5 years, it simply was reclassified as its own disorder instead of a subset of OCD and less commonly anxiety or depression. This does explain an increase of incidences - but so does the show itself prompting a few folks to get help for themselves or family members.

That said, I have no doubt it is a true mental disorder. Even if it gets reclassified yet again as a subset of another disorder, it is still a disorder. It was a disorder 10 years ago too. This is true even if a few people exploit the diagnosis. This last one is kinda like someone faking cancer: Just because a few fake cancer doesn't mean that cancer is imaginary.