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Re:What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist by philwelch on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @01:52PM (#18923722)
There's a more nuanced debate about the degree to which many personality disorders (particularly Cluster B disorders) don't qualify as a mental illness for another reason. You are considered mentally ill if you have cognitive and behavioral patterns that harm yourself. If your cognitive and behavioral patterns harm other people but leave you relatively unscathed, that's arguably not mental illness.
Re:What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist by DanBC on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @02:27PM (#18924118)
Where are you getting that definition from please, because it's not one I recognise.
Re:What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist by philwelch on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @03:00PM (#18924450)
While I can't find a source, it's a relatively common standard that I've seen used in multiple places, including in the psychology classes that I took (or sometimes dropped in on) in college.

The distinction is most useful because many mental illnesses aren't necessarily qualitatively different than "normal" or "healthy" human behavior and cognition; they're just more extreme versions. For example, normal people regularly engage in compulsive rituals, and engaging in these rituals is sometimes beneficial to them--consider a baseball player's ritual at stepping up to the plate, or a basketball player's ritual when stepping up to the free throw line. But if you start engaging in rituals that are a little too compulsive and too disruptive to "living a normal life", that's when it crosses the line into obsessive-compulsive disorder.

However, even if you can life a "normal" and successful life, that doesn't mean you aren't harming the people around you, unless you harm them enough that the long-term social consequences end up hurting you. Most cluster B personality disorders end up with the disordered person alienating people and suffering the consequences of their antisocial behavior. But if you're a high-functioning narcissist or whatever and you get away with everything...?

Here's a rather snarky example of this standard being applied to a certain alleged narcissist (whose name I'll redact in my quote, below, since this person's identity is a bit of a distraction from the more general point): https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/opinion/an-eminent-psychi...

> Most amateur diagnosticians have mislabeled <<a prominent individual>> with the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder. I wrote the criteria that define this disorder, and <<this person>> doesn’t meet them. He may be a world-class narcissist, but this doesn’t make him mentally ill, because he does not suffer from the distress and impairment required to diagnose mental disorder. <<this person>> causes severe distress rather than experiencing it and has been richly rewarded, rather than punished, for his grandiosity, self-absorption and lack of empathy.

Re:What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist by Brakenshire on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @02:20PM (#18924040)
Have we just defined conscience as a mental disorder?
Re:What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist by DyslexicAtheist on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @02:41PM (#18924266)
that wouldn't be profitable to the current industries so I guess not. There was talk of "An Ancient Virus May Be Responsible for Human Consciousness" not long ago so that at least is some acknowledgement in that direction: https://www.livescience.com/61627-ancient-virus-brain.html
Re:What It’s Like to Be a Diagnosed Narcissist by philwelch on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @02:28PM (#18924134)
Excessive conscience probably constitutes an anxiety disorder.