News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork by mAEStro-paNDa on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:37AM (#18921159)
It doesn't appear to be what this person is saying. Rather, that we can't deflect from flaws in ideology having to do with the system in place, and the issues that stem from that.

Having said that, I find it to be rather unproductive and pessimistic to assert corruption is endemic to humanity and has nothing to do with ideology. Instead I would argue that the nature of the corruption has everything to do with the ideological foundations of said system.

Re:WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork by philwelch on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @02:05PM (#18923861)
> Having said that, I find it to be rather unproductive and pessimistic to assert corruption is endemic to humanity and has nothing to do with ideology. Instead I would argue that the nature of the corruption has everything to do with the ideological foundations of said system.

This kind of blank-slate, "New Soviet Man" idea has been tested and found lacking.

Re:WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork by maratd on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:45AM (#18921228)
> Instead I would argue that the nature of the corruption has everything to do with the ideological foundations of said system.

How so? Is corruption different somehow depending on the ideological foundations of the system? Corruption is corruption. Every system has rules. When you subvert those rules for personal gain, that's corruption.

Re:WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork by coldtea on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:52AM (#18921277)
>How so? Is corruption different somehow depending on the ideological foundations of the system?

Of course.

Different systems enable, empower, and encourage, different types of corruption.

(Corruption being an abstract word, in programming terms there's no corruption "class", just corruption instances. So the nature of those corruption instances depend on the classes defined in the program -e.g. capitalism.c- you're running...).

(And of course share some basic corruption types, present in all societies/systems, e.g. theft -- the POSIX of corruption).

Re:WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork by maratd on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:53AM (#18921848)
We're now pretty deep in this thread and you still haven't given a single example?
Re:WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork by coldtea on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @11:40AM (#18922315)
We've started the thread with concrete examples...

Check the @pjc50, @Traster etc comments at the top.

And @humanrebar already put this in abstract form: "It's worth noting that luminary capitalists like Adam Smith were very much concerned with privately enabled rent seekers in addition to government enabled ones"

Re:WeWork’s CEO Makes Millions as Landlord to WeWork by maratd on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @11:52AM (#18922412)
> Check the @pjc50, @Traster etc comments at the top.

Those are specific examples of corruption here in the US. Are you asserting that you wouldn't be able to find the same corruption, for example, in China?

Please provide a single example of corruption that can occur under capitalism, but wouldn't occur under another economic system. Because I'm asserting they do not exist.

> And @humanrebar already put this in abstract form: "It's worth noting that luminary capitalists like Adam Smith were very much concerned with privately enabled rent seekers in addition to government enabled ones"

Yes, he was perfectly right to. There are always private parties. Even under communism.