Re:Ahead of IPO, Airbnb achieves profitability for second ye...
by jhall1468 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @08:58PM
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It's not Airbnb's responsibility to enforce the law. Full stop.
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by mlthoughts2018 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @09:14PM
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Demonstrating compliance with the law can be and often is a legal requirement itself.
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by jhall1468 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:43PM
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There aren't any laws here for Airbnb to comply with. That's my point: the regulations are on the hosts. If the Government wants to regulate Airbnb, they need to pass legislation that requires Airbnb to do something. Exactly as they did with YouTube via DMCA.
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by mlthoughts2018 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @03:22PM
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You are just incorrect. For example, Airbnb was required to comply with host registration and caps on short stay rentals in San Francisco (e.g. discussed in [0]). Airbnb is legally required to demonstrate its own compliance, separately from what laws govern hosts themselves.
It seems premature to claim whether Airbnb is subject to more laws like this or not. Many cities have enacted new regulations or sued Airbnb over failures to comply with existing laws, and it seems like a complex legal issue still in the midst of being hashed out.
[0]: https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/Airbnb-loses-th...
Re:Ahead of IPO, Airbnb achieves profitability for second ye...
by jhall1468 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @04:33PM
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Dude, that was my entire point. Airbnb was required, via legislation, to do something, thus they are doing it. Advocating that they do something without being required to is what I'm commenting on.
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by mlthoughts2018 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:02PM
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I think we’re talking past one another. Nobody is saying Airbnb must demonstrate compliance with laws they are not subject to. Instead, I’m saying they might be required to demonstrate compliance with existing laws (not special new laws) if various city-led lawsuits against them end up revealing that Airbnb had been subject to various types of regulation all along (despite Airbnb’s insistence to the contrary).
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by ric2b on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @08:32AM
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So ebay doesn't have to prevent people from selling illegal guns? YouTube doesn't have to prevent people from illegally distributing copyrighted material?
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by jhall1468 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:42PM
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Both of those exist because regulators forced them to. The suggestion here, apparently, is that Airbnb should just do it out of the kindness of their heart. If the government wants more oversight, regulate them.
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by throwawayjava on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @10:04PM
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There are many jurisdictions where this is an extremely dangerous assumption. Knowingly facilitating illegal transactions is often a crime.
Re:Ahead of IPO, Airbnb achieves profitability for second ye...
by jhall1468 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:45PM
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Do you have a case where Airbnb is being charged with doing that?
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by jmalicki on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:51AM
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"“It will potentially require home-sharing sites like Airbnb and their hosts to comply with local hospitality rules in every city in the United States,” Stemler told PacerMonitor. “It could also make home sharing sites responsible under the Civil Rights Act and the American with Disabilities Act. They would also have to comply with just about any law or restriction that a local government maintains pertaining to hotels.”"
https://www.pacermonitor.com/articles/2018/08/02/airbnb-host...
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by parent5446 on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @10:44PM
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It's not a murderer's responsibility to stop themselves from murdering people. Full stop.
Re:Ahead of IPO, Airbnb achieves profitability for second ye...
by jhall1468 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:44PM
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What a dumb response. Airbnb isn't going to do something it's not required to. Suggesting that they have a moral responsibility to enforce the law on hosts is silly. If you want them to build a system that assists law enforcement, pass legislation that requires they do.
It's abundantly clear that Airbnb has zero interest in helping Vancouver enforce these rules. Vancouver has had to struggle to enforce its rules and is failing at doing so.