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Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by cafebabbe on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @05:44AM (#18910201)
We're not even self-sustaining on Earth.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by alex_duf on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @07:02AM (#18910562)
That's one of my arguments for space colonisation.

In the process of colonising other bodies and planets we'll learn how to be more sustainable here. In other words we would use the promise of new resources and exciting new worlds to learn how to avoid destructing our own.

Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by slfnflctd on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @07:27AM (#18910666)
I'm with you on this one. Along the way on the amazing expansion into space, we'll rediscover the critical importance of maximizing efficiency in meeting our basic needs. It would serve us well to get everyone associating that level of efficiency with our greatest feats of technological progress.

Also, what better way to get kids on board from a young age? "Susie, if you really want to be an astronaut, you must learn to manage your downstream recycling better!"

Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by EForEndeavour on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @10:55AM (#18912019)
I don't understand human psychology well enough to be sure, but I could see it easily going the other way for some people. "We've got a self-sustaining colony on Mars! Finally, we can stop obsessing over such petty terrestrial details like CO2 and plastic waste that we once thought were so important to our species."
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by TeMPOraL on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @02:08PM (#18913896)
I can easily see it going both ways at the same time.

Space colonization will be a strong forcing function for developing high-efficiency technology. Hell, it'll force us to comprehend the energy budgets to much deeper levels. I could see this resulting in a lot of new products and new ways of doing things.

At the same time, if on the social/cultural level, people start to feel that Earth is just but one place available to people, I can imagine them naturally care less.

Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by bayesian_horse on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @09:36AM (#18911346)
Solving just about any of our sustainability problems on earth will be easier and less work than establishing a self-sustaining colony any place else.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by m000z0rz on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @02:13PM (#18913948)
Learning to swim in a shallow pool is _easier_ than just getting thrown into the deep end, but it's not faster, and the learning isn't as likely to occur.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by bayesian_horse on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:16AM (#18929432)
In reality most people who are unable to swim and are thrown into the "deep end" would just drown, making it quite unlikely that any learning will occur ever again...
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by Retra on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @03:51PM (#18915058)
Why would colonizing the moon in a self-sufficient way be faster than doing the same thing on Antarctica or the bottom of the ocean? The only thing I can think that would make it faster is that people will romanticize space colonization so much that they will volunteer for a suicide mission.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by auiya on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @03:36PM (#18914853)
Unless one of the byproducts of space colonization is the retrieval of a super virus capable of wiping out large swaths of humans rather quickly, I don't feel the domestic paradigm will shift significantly enough.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by worldsayshi on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @05:58AM (#18910260)
Fair point. Perhaps forcing us to be on Mars can teach us something about sustainability here on earth. Here's hoping.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @07:00AM (#18910545)
We already have sustainability on Earth; it's just that it's expensive. There's no new science or knowledge required, just a lot more investment.

But, profit margins.

Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by Balero on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @09:33AM (#18911319)
Science and knowledge can help make it cheaper, make those profit margins look better, and have it happen more.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by Aardwolf on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @06:10AM (#18910303)
We also have significantly more people on Earth though. If anything, more planets makes us more self sustainable in the future.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by Cthulhu_ on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @06:59AM (#18910543)
Not likely; the population will grow, becoming interplanetary just means we'll have more places to grow. It won't move the problem, not unless there's more emigration than population growth, and you can already see how that works on earth.
Re:China's Moon mission sees first seeds sprout by bayesian_horse on Tuesday January 15, 2019 @09:39AM (#18911360)
Most experts say the Human population will peak at some point.

The project to put even a couple of people on the mars surface, let alone let a couple of hundred live there, is currently too demanding to even attempt. Only vague plans exist.