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Re:SF restaurants are suffocating by kenneth on Sunday January 13, 2019 @11:02PM (#18900541)
Mensho Tokyo is a ramen place I frequent regularly in SF and that has abolished tips. Every time I go, it's a pleasant surprise and I leave feeling happy about it. I can't recall right now if the prices on the menu are inclusive of the automatic service charge or not… but that's kind of the point. All I'm left with is a positive impression that this place is better than the norm. What I remember is at the end of the meal, I am told by staff that a tip isn't necessary, that it's already included in the service. Compare this to the way many people handle this: they include a mandatory service charge, or worse, a "healthy SF tax," all the while still happily soliciting further tips. It feels like a money-grab.

At the end of the day, it's all about execution, and unless you're able to fully commit to abolishing tips, don't bother trying.

The "healthy SF" 4% mandate is especially egregious. It's simply a common way for restaurants to falsely advertise prices. When I see it, I'm left with a strongly negative impression, and I tip significantly less as a result.

Re:SF restaurants are suffocating by gamma-male on Monday January 14, 2019 @02:11AM (#18901235)
I've personally stopped giving tips in every restaurants not including them.
Re:SF restaurants are suffocating by brianpgordon on Monday January 14, 2019 @07:42AM (#18902543)
This is ridiculous and incredibly unfair to the service workers. You're not sticking it to restaurant owners by refusing to tip, you're just being an asshole.
Re:SF restaurants are suffocating by gamma-male on Monday January 14, 2019 @05:49PM (#18907310)
How? It is optional and plenty of other people are not tipping. I think you're being an idiot for throwing your money away if you tip because you feel forced to. If you tip because you appreciated the service then it's different.
Re:SF restaurants are suffocating by brianpgordon on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @12:34PM (#18922858)
> It is optional and plenty of other people are not tipping

No it's not and no there aren't! I can't believe you think this is normal. Not tipping unless you particularly appreciate the service is like... dumping your fast food trash out the car window when you're done with it. You can probably do it every week for years and get away with it but it's awful behavior.

Re:SF restaurants are suffocating by gamma-male on Friday January 18, 2019 @04:18PM (#18943196)
Yes tipping is optional. If we can't agree on a fact we won't go really far.
Re:SF restaurants are suffocating by gamma-male on Monday January 14, 2019 @02:11AM (#18901231)
There is a list of restaurant without tips. Zazie is one of them.