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Re:SpaceX to lay off 10% of Workforce by pmontra on Saturday January 12, 2019 @05:01AM (#18890538)
I used to work for a mobile phone operator in Europe, so no quick way to lay off people. After the startup phase they ended up with hundreds of people in the software/network department that they really didn't need anymore. Not there at least, as the focus moved from development to operations. Some people were moved to operations but (I spare you the technicalities) we eventually ended up in a separate company providing exactly the same services to the original one. Then we started to get incentives to quit. I left even before they reached that phase. They are still doing the same job with less and less people (I think they moved many jobs in cheaper eastern Europe countries.)

The point is that sometimes you really need less people to do the job or you can find them in other places without affecting the final product or service. There is nothing that can prevent a company to do that, not even employee friendly European legislation.

Re:SpaceX to lay off 10% of Workforce by jononor on Saturday January 12, 2019 @06:22AM (#18890741)
Sure, adjustments are sometimes natural. The important thing is that is should not affect employees too negatively. Huge difference between a 1-day/1-month resignation notice without compensation, and a multi-month (or even multi-year) reduction process with incentives to quit. The latter makes it possible for basically everyone to get a new decent job and change over without gaps in employment.
Re:SpaceX to lay off 10% of Workforce by blueboo on Saturday January 12, 2019 @07:54AM (#18890984)
> The point is that sometimes you really need less people

There's another crucial point: that this need is forecastable many (many) months in advance. If people are joining (or continuing to work at) a company with an expectation of investing in the 'long haul', but the company knows that this 'startup phase' isn't likely to last more than another nine months, there's a strong temptation for executives to deceive their employees.

As you say, 'nothing that can prevent a company to do that', but along those lines, there's nothing that prevents seeing this for what it is: an adversarial relationship where companies are doing their best to trick their employees.

Re:SpaceX to lay off 10% of Workforce by isostatic on Saturday January 12, 2019 @05:22AM (#18890592)
In the UK, if your job is genuinely no longer needed, you can be made redundant, with mimimal pay off and notice (Typically 1 month notice and a minimum of 1 week per year redundancy)
Re:SpaceX to lay off 10% of Workforce by toyg on Saturday January 12, 2019 @06:45AM (#18890798)
“Genuinely” being basically arbitrary. What you do is you move people from role X to Y then, shortly after, you say role Y is no longer needed.
Re:SpaceX to lay off 10% of Workforce by celticninja on Saturday January 12, 2019 @07:43AM (#18890948)
Nope, not how it works.
Re:SpaceX to lay off 10% of Workforce by Milner08 on Saturday January 12, 2019 @08:05AM (#18891010)
Ehh, I've seen that happen in the UK, but only on the small scale. You cant do that if you're making 10% of the workforce redundant but if its one or two people you can. They moved them to a new role, gave them very little work to do and genuinely made them hate work, then after a year (I think they hoped they would have quit by then) the positions magically became redundant and they had a months notice.

Safe to say I left that place of my own accord not long after.

Re:SpaceX to lay off 10% of Workforce by tyfon on Saturday January 12, 2019 @07:54AM (#18890980)
Same in Norway.

In periods of "low order" for things like shipping/mining a company may put the employees on leave that the government pay, but this is only temporary. It's a method to avoid hire/fire waves.