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Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by jedberg on Friday January 11, 2019 @12:52PM (#18885286)
I do drink, but sometimes I don't feel well enough to drink or I know I'm going to have to drive right after the conference.

In those cases I just order water. No one has ever shamed me or even said anything about the fact that I had a glass or bottle of water instead of a drink.

This doesn't seem like a very hard problem to solve.

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by cschep on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:00PM (#18885377)
This isn't an alcoholic's reality unfortunately. I imagine they even wish it was!
Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by nostrebored on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:07PM (#18885431)
People have problems that inhibit them from engaging fully in tons of domains. Some people have binge eating disorders that are literally taking years off of their lives; should food not be a conference staple either?

There's always going to be another group of people who think that the setup is unfair. If the only group of people who feels left out is the set of academic alcoholics so early in recovery that being in a setting with alcohol is unbearable then honestly it seems fine to me.

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by cschep on Friday January 11, 2019 @07:45PM (#18888661)
I'm not sure it's appropriate to comment on someone's progress through recovery, but I haven't been a part of that movement so I don't know. I get the feeling that whether early or late, it's always one day at a time.

Honestly, I mostly agree with you but I also think alcohol is entirely optional to human existence whereas food is not. So it's not exactly black and white.

Probably if we are all as thoughtful as we can be, the whole thing will keep mostly working :)

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by ablation on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:07PM (#18885427)
You're clearly not an alcoholic, therefore I'm sure it is easy.

For some, alcoholism is considered to be a chronic brain disease where just ordering something else isn't as easy as it sounds.

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by PhasmaFelis on Friday January 11, 2019 @12:58PM (#18885352)
> No one has ever shamed me or even said anything about the fact that I had a glass or bottle of water instead of a drink.

That's nice for you, but based on the article it's clearly not universal.

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by darkpuma on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:16PM (#18885509)
Shame them for shaming you. Considering the majority of people in this world are sympathetic to the problems of alcoholism, your shaming will almost certainly find more purchase.

Comparatively, almost nobody is sympathetic to cannabis addiction. Many will mock you for even believing such a thing exists, but five years after quitting it still strains my willpower. Finding somebody who earnestly believes alcoholism doesn't exist is rare (typically you only hear it from hardcore alcoholics deep in denial.)

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by andonisus on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:05PM (#18885417)
Even if someone were to shame you, what's to stop you from ignoring them? So what if other people have opinions about your behavior; just acknowledge them and move on.
Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by ablation on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:10PM (#18885448)
I'm not sure the shaming or even the people is the biggest issue with alcoholism and the issues raised in the article.

It's more the almost overwhelming temptation - the need, even - to consume alcohol.

It's not an issue I face, as I'm not an alcoholic, but I'm sympathetic to those who do suffer from this disease and face a less than equal footing in their professional lives as a result. I don't have a solution for the problem.

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by PhasmaFelis on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:10PM (#18885451)
These are important networking events, as the article mentions. Making a bad impression could potentially impact your career.

(Aside from the fact that humans are social animals wired to experience discomfort when snubbed. "Grow a thicker skin" is sometimes necessary, but it shouldn't have to be the default.)

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by nostrebored on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:08PM (#18885438)
If as an academic you can't handle joking criticism, you've chosen the wrong field.
Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by PhasmaFelis on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:19PM (#18885543)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18885333

And, again, this is about industry networking opportunities. It's not just social awkwardness at stake.

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by nostrebored on Friday January 11, 2019 @01:53PM (#18885834)
Drink virgin drinks. I go through frequent periods of not drinking that don't inhibit me from going to bars or going on business lunches.

It doesn't escape me that these people are women. My wife has had similar experience in literally every other opt in social activity in our field. Have you considered that maybe it's not a hazard of not drinking, but rather a consequence of being a woman in a professional world that is hostile to them?

Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by PhasmaFelis on Friday January 11, 2019 @11:54PM (#18889735)
I would be rather surprised if women didn't get more stick for teetotaling than men do. I'm not sure why you think that's a refutation of anything.
Re:‘A Minefield’: How Scholars Who Don’t Drink Navigate the ... by dannykwells on Friday January 11, 2019 @03:59PM (#18886917)
Yeah, this comment falls in the camp of "it's not a problem for me so why is it a problem for anyone else?" category.

That is, unhelpful.